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uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>174</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-9052881923746852291</id><published>2011-08-29T10:40:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-08-29T10:40:28.140-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Why I Don't Sing The National Anthem</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/26/my-faith-why-i-dont-sing-the-star-spangled-banner/"&gt;Here's a good, brief piece on the matter about the controversy at Goshen college.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-9052881923746852291?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' 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src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LmoKU60ZbSU/TfjI1e_j-7I/AAAAAAAAAJk/sVlzccojBck/s200/mr-men-mr-worry.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="woj" style="color: red;"&gt;But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.&lt;/span&gt; (Matt 6:33-34)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;i spend an awful lot of time anywhere but here and anywhere but now.&amp;nbsp; i rehash past events in my life a lot.&amp;nbsp; Old arguments and stresses and things that i wish had gone differently.&amp;nbsp; It seems no matter what i'm doing, my mind is focused on what i'm not doing.&amp;nbsp; My mind drifts into the future a lot as well, experiencing the angst of troubles that i've managed to imagine as possibilities.&amp;nbsp; Even at this moment, my mind is cycling from a phone call i need to make, to a paper i'm not finished writing, to an appointment i forgot about early this morning, etc.&amp;nbsp; i bring a lot of mental weight and burden on myself because of these heart-habits.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;Worry sucks.&amp;nbsp; It's like being in a cage.&amp;nbsp; There's so many things i could do right now.&amp;nbsp; There's so much now i could soak in.&amp;nbsp; There's so much i don't enjoy on account of not really being there.&amp;nbsp; There's so much powerlessness i experience because i spend so much time focusing on things outside my control.&amp;nbsp; There's so much freedom i fail to experience because i don't focus the entirety of my mental faculties on what i can do.&amp;nbsp; i feel like i can't initiate things.&amp;nbsp; My creativity is stifled.&amp;nbsp; Anytime i let the present moment in, it feels like added pressure, so i quickly run away.&amp;nbsp; i'm in a cage.&amp;nbsp; Each bar has a name.&amp;nbsp; Whatever mental item i'm not letting go of.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;i built the cage.&amp;nbsp; It's my own doing.&amp;nbsp; And it all amounts to doubt and fear.&amp;nbsp; It all amounts to my lack of trust.&amp;nbsp; Maybe it's about lying or hypocrisy in a way, because i'm not behaving as though i really believe the things i claim to believe.&amp;nbsp; What do i believe?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;God is sovereign.&amp;nbsp; My past and my future are in the hands of God.&amp;nbsp; God is God over my past.&amp;nbsp; i am not.&amp;nbsp; God is God over my tomorrow.&amp;nbsp; i am not.&amp;nbsp; i will either decide to trust Him to do His job or i won't.&amp;nbsp; Isn't it interesting that of all the topics Jesus could've covered in the Sermon on the Mount, so much space was devoted to worry?&amp;nbsp; How did Jesus address worry?&amp;nbsp; How did He address those with no peace about the present?&amp;nbsp; Most of His commentary has to do with the power and providence of God.&amp;nbsp; God does a perfectly fine job making sure the 'smaller' things of the world work as they should.&amp;nbsp; "Are you not much more valuable than they?"&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;It's a rhetorical question, i think.&amp;nbsp; It's supposed to be obvious that i'm much more valuable than birds and flowers.&amp;nbsp; But it's a harder question than it looks.&amp;nbsp; The problem is i don't think i'm terribly valuable.&amp;nbsp; My power and my significance seem quite limited.&amp;nbsp; So all the things that i have to deal with in life seem much bigger than me.&amp;nbsp; At least far bigger than i feel i can &lt;i&gt;peaceably &lt;/i&gt;manage.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;But it doesn't matter.&amp;nbsp; Tomorrow is not mine to control.&amp;nbsp; My past is not mine to dwell in or dream about changing.&amp;nbsp; God is the God of my past and my tomorrow.&amp;nbsp; What does God give to me?&amp;nbsp; Only today.&amp;nbsp; Only this moment.&amp;nbsp; Only right here, right now.&amp;nbsp; When i spend all my time in doubt and fear about my past and future, i squander and waste what God &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; given me.&amp;nbsp; God aims to take care of me.&amp;nbsp; God means to bless me.&amp;nbsp; God means to manage me and my life in a way that demonstrates that i am far more valuable to Him than lesser creatures who know no worry.&amp;nbsp; And yet i sabotage my relationship with Him by my mistrust.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;i wrong Him when i worry.&amp;nbsp; i harm myself.&amp;nbsp; i rob those around me whom i love and who need me.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Holy Father, convict me of this doubt and mistrust.&amp;nbsp; i want right now to kneel before You and to cast my past and my future at the foot of Your throne.&amp;nbsp; They are Yours to command, not mine.&amp;nbsp; Teach me gratitude.&amp;nbsp; Help me see the beauty and richness of the present moment.&amp;nbsp; Help me to accept and embrace where i am and when i am. Teach me to trust in Your goodness, Your mercy toward my past, and Your unfathomable power to control and direct my future.&amp;nbsp; i have cheated You out of the trust and gratitude You deserve from me by my incessant worry.&amp;nbsp; i'm sorry, Father.&amp;nbsp; It's not right.&amp;nbsp; You deserve better than that from me.&amp;nbsp; Please have mercy on my foolishness.&amp;nbsp; You are sovereign over all things.&amp;nbsp; To You be all praise and adoration forever.&amp;nbsp; Amen.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-385188319557179546?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/385188319557179546/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=385188319557179546' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/385188319557179546'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/385188319557179546'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2011/06/presence-of-mind.html' title='Presence of Mind'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LmoKU60ZbSU/TfjI1e_j-7I/AAAAAAAAAJk/sVlzccojBck/s72-c/mr-men-mr-worry.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-1644856448384241146</id><published>2010-09-30T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-30T06:00:03.267-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The Unfortune School-Is-Taking-Over-My-Life Hiatus</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Yesterday's post&amp;nbsp;marks the end of my pre-written blog posts, and i haven't had time to write more in weeks.&amp;nbsp; Frustrating because i sure am studying a lot of stuff in school i care very little about, while there's plenty of topics for blog posts about which i am very interested (the list of posts in my "draft" box is very long).&amp;nbsp; Not sure when i'll be back.&amp;nbsp; Peace out!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-1644856448384241146?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/1644856448384241146/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=1644856448384241146' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1644856448384241146'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1644856448384241146'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/unfortune-school-is-taking-over-my-life.html' title='The Unfortune School-Is-Taking-Over-My-Life Hiatus'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5957601006973827838</id><published>2010-09-29T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-29T06:00:05.207-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Shape Notes Going Out Of Vogue?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://blog.al.com/living-news/2010/09/shape-note_singing_enthusiasts.html"&gt;Click here to read the article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i still to this day am very dependent on shape notes to know whether or not i'm hitting the pitches i mean to be hitting.&amp;nbsp; Anyone else grow up learning to sing based on shape notes?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5957601006973827838?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5957601006973827838/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5957601006973827838' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5957601006973827838'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5957601006973827838'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/shape-notes-going-out-of-vogue.html' title='Shape Notes Going Out Of Vogue?'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-6174591584482035669</id><published>2010-09-28T06:00:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-28T06:00:04.717-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Love is...</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  is a daily commitment to admit your sin, weakness, and failure and to  resist the temptation to offer an excuse or shift the blame.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  is being unwilling to do what is wrong when you have been wronged but to  look for concrete and specific ways to overcome evil with good.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love is always being willing to ask for forgiveness and always being committed to grant forgiveness when it is requested.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Paul David Tripp&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-6174591584482035669?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/6174591584482035669/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=6174591584482035669' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6174591584482035669'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6174591584482035669'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/love-is.html' title='Love is...'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2584148825568702033</id><published>2010-09-27T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-27T06:00:06.357-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sinners'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Are Some Sinners Just Too Bad To Be Allowed In Church?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://rodonline.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c6d4753ef01287732119b970c-400wi" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" ox="true" src="http://rodonline.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c6d4753ef01287732119b970c-400wi" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Apparently, &lt;a href="http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=30036"&gt;8 out of 10 churchgoers believe that sex offenders belong in church&lt;/a&gt;, but 5 out of 10 say that sex offenders should not be allowed to serve in church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i read that article and was actually encouraged.&amp;nbsp; i thought the number would be significantly lower.&amp;nbsp; i cannot tell you how many times i've heard people--&lt;em&gt;Christians&lt;/em&gt; i mean--say things like, "once a cheater, always a cheater."&amp;nbsp; Or, "you can't trust him, he used to be an alcoholic."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i remember hearing a religious&amp;nbsp;radio program some months ago where a&amp;nbsp;Christian-convert wrote a letter to the host complaining that all the Christians (&lt;em&gt;Christians, &lt;/em&gt;mind you) in his neighborhood banded together to get him legally kicked out of the neighborhood since he was a registered sex offender.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Listen, it's not like i don't see the "common sense" it makes to keep a sex offender under guard.&amp;nbsp; i'm not saying i think a sex-offender-turned-Christian ought to be allowed to babysit my son. &amp;nbsp;i'm not saying that i think this uneasiness is baseless or anything like that.&amp;nbsp; i &lt;em&gt;share&lt;/em&gt; those sentiments.&amp;nbsp; But i do want to question what we typically do with those sentiments.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Let me just put it this way.&amp;nbsp; Suppose someone came to your congregation next Sunday.&amp;nbsp; This man was a notorious murderer.&amp;nbsp; You knew it.&amp;nbsp; Everyone in the community knew it.&amp;nbsp; And he had never been brought to justice for his crimes.&amp;nbsp; In fact, the local police constantly just looked the other way every time this man killed someone.&amp;nbsp; And now, he came to your congregation and asked to be a part of your church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;What do you think you should do?&amp;nbsp; Should the man be accepted?&amp;nbsp; Should he be turned away?&amp;nbsp; Would you invite him over for dinner?&amp;nbsp; What if he needed a place to stay?&amp;nbsp; Would you let him stay in your guest room?&amp;nbsp; Would you say hi to him?&amp;nbsp; Would you sit next to him during worship?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Now suppose your congregation was looking for a full-time minister.&amp;nbsp; And suppose that man applied for the job.&amp;nbsp; What do you think the congregation should do?&amp;nbsp; Should the congregation refuse to hire him on account of his past?&amp;nbsp; Should the congregation give him the job?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;If you think the man shouldn't be allowed to come to the church, or you think the man shouldn't be allowed to serve as a minister, then it seems to me you've just judged that Paul, the same Paul that wrote most of the books in your New Testament,&amp;nbsp;should not have been a part of the church nor should he have been made an apostle.&amp;nbsp; But clearly Christ thought differently.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;And what about the Corinthians?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;nor adulterers nor male prostitutes &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;nor homosexual offenders nor thieves &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;nor the greedy nor drunkards &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;nor slanderers nor swindlers &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;will inherit the kingdom of God. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;And that is what some of you were. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;But you were washed, you were sanctified, &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;and by the Spirit of our God.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS;"&gt;(1Corinthians 6:9-11)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Corinth had a church full of criminals and and sexual deviants.&amp;nbsp; Did Paul say they weren't allowed to be in the church because of their past?&amp;nbsp; Paul says they had turned away from their past and become saints.&amp;nbsp; Now, does that mean none of them were allowed to serve in the church at Corinth because of&amp;nbsp;their past?&amp;nbsp; If that was the rule, it seems they wouldn't have no leadership at all.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;So if the early church had embraced the idea that some sinners are just too bad to be allowed in church or to serve as leaders in it, where would i be right now?&amp;nbsp; Where would you be?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2584148825568702033?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2584148825568702033/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2584148825568702033' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2584148825568702033'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2584148825568702033'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/are-some-sinners-just-too-bad-to-be.html' title='Are Some Sinners Just Too Bad To Be Allowed In Church?'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-3811087037862975150</id><published>2010-09-24T06:00:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-24T06:00:05.630-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Money'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Christians are Bad Tippers</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/THioZrkvLXI/AAAAAAAAAJM/YtLwTn5jU5g/s1600/tipping.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/THioZrkvLXI/AAAAAAAAAJM/YtLwTn5jU5g/s320/tipping.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i have heard a lot of wait staff people tell me that Christians are particularly bad tippers.&amp;nbsp; Is that true?&amp;nbsp; It was obviously true in the experience of those who told me.&amp;nbsp; The "church crowd" people they served left low percentages.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Maybe i'm making something out of nothing, but it seems to me that this is just such a case where Christians ought to display generosity. Now i'm not trying to draw attention to what people think of us.&amp;nbsp; i'm trying to spotlight what we ought to do regardless.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Are there cases where it just doesn't matter whether or not a Christian is generous with his/her money?&amp;nbsp; And is tipping at a restaurant one of them?&amp;nbsp; Or is this a particular case where imitating the generosity of Christ ought particularly to shine through in us? "How much would Jesus tip" doesn't seem like an easy question to answer.&amp;nbsp; But it does seem obvious to me He wouldn't be stingy.&amp;nbsp; What do you think?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-3811087037862975150?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/3811087037862975150/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=3811087037862975150' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/3811087037862975150'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/3811087037862975150'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/christians-are-bad-tippers.html' title='Christians are Bad Tippers'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/THioZrkvLXI/AAAAAAAAAJM/YtLwTn5jU5g/s72-c/tipping.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2144790185416681997</id><published>2010-09-23T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-23T06:00:02.641-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Love and Marriage (3)</title><content type='html'>&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  is staying faithful to your commitment to treat your spouse with  appreciation, respect, and grace, even in moments when he or she doesn’t  seem to deserve it or is unwilling to reciprocate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  is the willingness to make regular and costly sacrifices for the sake of  your marriage without asking anything in return or using your  sacrifices to place your spouse in your debt.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  is being unwilling to make any personal decision or choice that would  harm your marriage, hurt your husband or wife, or weaken the bond of  trust between you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Paul David Tripp (What Did You Expect?) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2144790185416681997?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2144790185416681997/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2144790185416681997' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2144790185416681997'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2144790185416681997'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/love-and-marriage-3.html' title='Love and Marriage (3)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8552520165180915490</id><published>2010-09-22T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-22T06:00:08.910-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='textual study'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='matthew'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sermon on the mount'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hermeneutics'/><title type='text'>The Sermon on the Mount (5)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlkXvHYDiI/AAAAAAAAAJE/dZ8EREZWtOM/s1600/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlkXvHYDiI/AAAAAAAAAJE/dZ8EREZWtOM/s320/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In this post i present my final reason why the Sermon on the Mount should be understood as Jesus confrontation and correction of Pharisaical teaching about the Old Testament.&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;5. Matthew presents Jesus as the Messiah of OT prophecy, and as having frequent antagonistic encounters with the Pharisees.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;The  author of Matthew aims to show that Jesus is the Messiah spoken of in  OT prophecy.&amp;nbsp; He wants Jewish readers to see Jesus as the Messiah  they've been waiting for.&amp;nbsp; The clearest sign of this purpose is  Matthew's repeated mention that events in Jesus' life were the  fulfillment of specific OT prophecies. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;All this took place to fulfill what the Lord&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;had said through the prophet (Matt 1:22) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;And so was fulfilled what the Lord&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;had said through the prophet (Matt 2:15)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;Then what was said through the prophet&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;Jeremiah was fulfilled (Matt 2:17) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;So was fulfilled what was said&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;through the prophets (Matt 2:23)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;to fulfill what was said through&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;the prophet Isaiah (Matt 4:14)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;This was to fulfill what was spoken&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;through the prophet Isaiah (Matt 8:17)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;This was to fulfill what was spoken through&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;the prophet Isaiah (Matt 12:17)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;So was fulfilled what was spoken&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;through the prophet (Matt 13:35)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;This took place to fulfill what was spoken&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;through the prophet (Matt 21:4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Then what was spoken by Jeremiah&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;the prophet was fulfilled&amp;nbsp; (Matt 27:9)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Since  Matthew's purpose was to make a case that Jesus was the Messiah the Jews  had been waiting for, it would be counterproductive to present Jesus  opening sermon as a &lt;i&gt;critique&lt;/i&gt; of the Old Testament.&amp;nbsp; Matthew is  using the OT as the basis for Jesus' identity.&amp;nbsp; Matthew needs to present  the OT as a trustworthy source.&amp;nbsp; If Matthew presents Jesus as  delivering a sermon that casts any shadow of doubt on the teachings of  the OT, then the very basis on which Matthew is basing the identity of  Jesus, the very basis which Matthew is using to persuade his readers of  who Jesus is, is called into question.&amp;nbsp; Thus, Jesus' identity would also  be called into question.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not  only this, but Matthew nowhere else presents Jesus as antagonistic to  the OT.&amp;nbsp; Matthew does, however, repeatedly portray Jesus as having an  antagonistic relationship with the Pharisees.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;The  Pharisees are already portrayed as villainous even before the start of  Jesus public ministry when John the Baptist chides them (Matt 3:7).&amp;nbsp; The  Pharisees are portrayed as in constant scrutiny of Jesus, questioning  His associations (Matt 9:11), why His disciples don't fast (Matt 9:14),  and why His disciples don't observe tradition (Matt 15:1f).&amp;nbsp; The  Pharisees are portrayed as trying to trap Jesus in His words, using  controversial subjects like divorce (Matt 19:3), paying taxes (Matt  22:15f), and priority of OT commandments (Matt 22:34f).&amp;nbsp; The Pharisees  demanded that Jesus perform signs in their presence (Matt 12:38; 16:1),  yet when He performed signs, they dismissively claimed Jesus' power was  from Satan rather than God (Matt 12:24).&amp;nbsp; The Pharisees were so  antagonistic to Jesus that they plotted how they could kill Him (Matt  12:14).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;This  relationship is not one-sided.&amp;nbsp; Jesus is also presented as viewing the  Pharisees antagonistically.&amp;nbsp; Jesus told parables aimed against the  Pharisees (Matt 21:45).&amp;nbsp; Jesus specifically warned His disciples about  the teaching of the Pharisees (Matt 16:6, 11-12).&amp;nbsp; And then, of course,  one of Jesus' lengthy speeches recorded by Matthew is a diatribe aimed  directly against the Pharisees (Matt 23). &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;The  point is that the OT vs. NT view of the Sermon on the Mount is  incompatible with Matthew's purpose for writing, and it does not fit  into Matthew's sub-themes.&amp;nbsp; But there is a well-established sub-theme in  Matthew of the antagonism between Jesus' and the Pharisees.&amp;nbsp; It is  reasonable then that Matthew means for the Sermon on the Mount to  harmonize with the rest of his account.&amp;nbsp; All the surrounding data in  Matthew's account suggests that the Sermon on the Mount is intended to  fit into this particular sub-theme, that Jesus aims to confront and  correct the lifestyle and teaching of the Pharisees. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8552520165180915490?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8552520165180915490/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8552520165180915490' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8552520165180915490'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8552520165180915490'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/sermon-on-mount-5.html' title='The Sermon on the Mount (5)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlkXvHYDiI/AAAAAAAAAJE/dZ8EREZWtOM/s72-c/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7569314258292748743</id><published>2010-09-21T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-21T06:00:06.191-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Love and Marriage (2)</title><content type='html'>&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  means being willing, when confronted by your spouse, to examine your  heart rather than rising to your defense or shifting the focus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  is speaking kindly and gently, even in moments of disagreement, refusing  to attack your spouse’s character or assault his or her intelligence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  is being unwilling to flatter, lie, manipulate, or deceive in any way in  order to co-opt your spouse into giving you what you want or doing  something your way.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love  is the willingness to have less free time, less sleep, and a busier  schedule in order to be faithful to what God has called you to be and to  do as a husband or a wife.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Paul David Trip (What Did You Expect?) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7569314258292748743?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7569314258292748743/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7569314258292748743' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7569314258292748743'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7569314258292748743'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/love-and-marriage-2.html' title='Love and Marriage (2)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8471405876870504517</id><published>2010-09-20T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-20T06:00:05.852-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='textual study'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='matthew'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sermon on the mount'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hermeneutics'/><title type='text'>The Sermon on the Mount (4)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlj6T_ZKlI/AAAAAAAAAI8/NE01VtnSAUc/s1600/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlj6T_ZKlI/AAAAAAAAAI8/NE01VtnSAUc/s320/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In this post, i offer 2 more reasons why the Sermon on the Mount should be understood as Jesus confrontation and correction of the Pharisaical teaching about the Old Testament.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;3.  The first half of Matt 6 critiques hypocritical piety, which is the  same charge Jesus makes against the Pharisees elsewhere in Matthew.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In  Matthew 6:1-18, Jesus mentions three practices of piety that people  perform hypocritically.&amp;nbsp; Some group of people ("hypocrites"--6:2, 5, 16)  practiced charitable giving, praying, and fasting as a pretense to gain  favor and applause from others.&amp;nbsp; Though they appeared to perform acts  of selflessness or pure devotion, their motives were self-serving, and  their very public practice exposed them as frauds.&amp;nbsp; Basically, their  insides didn't match their outsides.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Hypocritical  righteousness is the very charge that Jesus made against the Pharisees  elsewhere in Matthew.&amp;nbsp; In Matthew 15, when Jesus engaged the Pharisees  regarding their traditions, He said of them,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You hypocrites!&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;'These people honor me with their lips, &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;but their hearts are far from me. &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;They worship me in vain; &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;their teachings are but rules taught by men.'&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Matt 15:7-9)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Here  Jesus refers to them as "hypocrites," the same word He used in the  Sermon on the Mount, and claims that Isaiah's words applied to the  Pharisees--what they said with their lips did not match what was in  their heart.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In Matthew 23, Jesus says of the Pharisees,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;Everything they do &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;is done for men to see&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;They make their phylacteries wide&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;and the tassels on their garments long;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;they love the place of honor at banquets&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;and the most important seats in the synagogues;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;they love to be greeted in the marketplaces&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;(Matt 23:5-7) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Doing good deeds for the sake of being seen by men is precisely what Jesus mentions repeatedly in Matthew 6.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;Be careful not to do  your&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;'acts of righteousness' before men,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;to be seen by them&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. &amp;nbsp;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23285"&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;So  when you give to the needy,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;do not announce it with trumpets,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;as the  hypocrites do&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;in the synagogues and on the streets,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;to be honored by  men&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;And when you pray,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;do  not be like the hypocrites,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;for they love to pray standing&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;in the  synagogues and on the street corners&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;to be seen by men.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;When you fast, do not look somber&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;to show men&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; they are fasting.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;(Matt 6:1, 2, 5, 16) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Because  Jesus claims in Matthew 23 that trying to be seen and lauded by other  people was the basic approach to the Pharisaical ethic, it's likely that  the Pharisees are also the main target of Matthew 6--which again shows  that the main theme of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount is the false and  insufficient "righteousness" of the Pharisees (Matt 5:20).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;4. The Beattitudes are contrastive to Pharisaical piety.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Blessed are the poor in spirit, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Blessed are those who mourn, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;for they will be comforted. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Blessed are the meek, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;for they will inherit the earth. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;for they will be filled. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Blessed are the merciful, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;for they will be shown mercy. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Blessed are the pure in heart, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;for they will see God.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;(Matt 5:3-8)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;This  portion of the Beattitudes i've quoted above focuses on internal  ethical values--dispositions, attitudes, beliefs, motives, character  traits.&amp;nbsp; It is this very area of ethical value which Jesus portrays the  Pharisees as lacking.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus  declares, "blessed are the merciful."&amp;nbsp; Yet Jesus tells the Pharisees  that they have neglected important matters of the Law like mercy (Matt  23:23).&amp;nbsp; Jesus declares, "blessed are the pure in heart."&amp;nbsp; Yet Jesus  tells the Pharisees that they are full of wickedness and hypocrisy (Matt  23:28).&amp;nbsp; Jesus declares, "bless are they that hunger and thirst for  righteousness."&amp;nbsp; Yet Jesus makes clear He believes that what the  Pharisees desire is to be honored by others (Matt 23:5-7).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;These  values in the Beattitudes are not different from what God desired of  the Jews in the OT.&amp;nbsp; God commanded the Jews to love Him with all their  heart, soul, mind, and strength (Deut 6:5).&amp;nbsp; God criticized the Jews for  offering Him ritual worship all the while not adhering to the basic  internal and interpersonal ethical values He commanded (Isa 1:11-17; Jer  7:1-11). God made very clear He did not accept their hypocritical  behavior and had always expected integrity and internal virtue.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Thus  Jesus, in the Beattitudes, is not offering something contrastive to the  OT, but He uplifting values contrastive to Pharisaical teaching and  practice.&amp;nbsp; This shows that Jesus does not mean in the Sermon on the  Mount to countermand the Law of Moses, but to correct the corrupt  lifestyle and teaching of the Pharisees.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8471405876870504517?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8471405876870504517/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8471405876870504517' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8471405876870504517'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8471405876870504517'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/sermon-on-mount-4.html' title='The Sermon on the Mount (4)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlj6T_ZKlI/AAAAAAAAAI8/NE01VtnSAUc/s72-c/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-6041336758761132099</id><published>2010-09-17T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-17T06:00:06.209-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='textual study'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pharisees'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='matthew'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sermon on the mount'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hermeneutics'/><title type='text'>The Sermon on the Mount (3)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGljAwG3H7I/AAAAAAAAAI0/GvzBsBBscD0/s1600/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGljAwG3H7I/AAAAAAAAAI0/GvzBsBBscD0/s320/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;So  what is Jesus doing in the Sermon on the Mount?&amp;nbsp; If Jesus is not  replacing or overturning OT teaching in the Sermon on the Mount, then  what &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; He doing?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Sermon on the Mount is not about OT vs. NT,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;but about Phariseeism vs. OT.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In  other words, Jesus is trying to correct the false teaching of the  Pharisees.&amp;nbsp; Jesus presents what the religious leaders of the day had  taught about the OT, and then presents His listeners with what the OT  actually teaches.&amp;nbsp; Jesus is presenting His listeners with a personal  ethic God intended for them to live by contrary to what the scribes and  Pharisees had taught and exemplified them.&amp;nbsp; i believe i can give at  least 5 reasons which show that this is the correct understanding of the  Sermon on the Mount. In this post, i'll give the first 2 reasons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;1. Jesus mentions the Pharisees critically in His stated purpose.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;"Do not think that I have come&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;to abolish the Law or the Prophets;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;I  have not come to abolish them&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;but to fulfill them.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;I tell you the truth,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;until heaven and earth  disappear,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;not the smallest letter,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;not the least stroke of a pen,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;will  by any means disappear from the Law&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;until everything is accomplished.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;Anyone who breaks&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;one of the  least of these commandments&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;and teaches others to do the same&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;will be  called least in the kingdom of heaven,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;but whoever practices and teaches  these commands&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;For I tell you that&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;unless  your righteousness surpasses&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;that of the Pharisees and the teachers of  the law,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;(Matt 5:17-20)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus  makes clear that He does not oppose the commandments of the Old Law,  but intends for people to keep them.&amp;nbsp; But He does make clear that He  opposes the "righteousness" of the Pharisees and teachers of the law.&amp;nbsp;  Keeping the law amounts to greatness in the 'kingdom of heaven.' But the  Pharisees' "righteousness" is insufficient for the kingdom of heaven.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;This places the Pharisees &lt;i&gt;at best&lt;/i&gt; in the  category of those who break 'the least of these commandments and teach  others to do the same.' &amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Arguably  then, Jesus' sermon is about how to avoid and surpass the  "righteousness" of the Pharisees and teachers of the law.&amp;nbsp; In what  immediately follows, Jesus lists the ways the Pharisees and teachers of  the law have broken the commandments of the Law and Prophets and have  taught others to do the same, and then teaches people how to properly  keep the commandments of the Law and Prophets.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;This  certainly fits the same comparison Jesus' makes elsewhere in Matthew's  gospel.&amp;nbsp; In Matthew 15:1-6, the Pharisees criticize Jesus' disciples for  breaking traditions.&amp;nbsp; Jesus shows how at one of their traditions which  they practice and teach is little more than a way to disobey the Law of  Moses.&amp;nbsp; This shows a sub-theme in Matthew--Jesus sees the Pharisees'  portrayal of an Old Testament ethic as corrupt and in need of  correction.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;2. Some of the issues raised in the Sermon on the Mount are repeated as discussions with the Pharisees elsewhere in the Matthew.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus  brief comments on divorce in Matthew 5:31-32 are an abbreviated version  of the very discussion He has with the Pharisees about divorce in  Matthew 19:1-9.&amp;nbsp; In Matthew 19:7, the Pharisees use nearly the same  words as Jesus did in Matthew 5:31 when He gives the "you have heard  that it was said" quote.&amp;nbsp; This phrase in Matthew 5:31 then represents  the position of the Pharisees on divorce and not the true teaching of  the OT.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;The  issue of taking oaths that Jesus raises in Matthew 5:33-37 is also an  issue He raises against the Pharisees.&amp;nbsp; In Matthew 23 during Jesus'  lengthy criticism of the Pharisees, He says,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Woe to you, blind  guides!&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;but  if anyone swears by the gold of the temple,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;he is bound by his oath.'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You blind fools! Which is  greater:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You also say, 'If anyone  swears by the altar, it means nothing;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;but if anyone swears by the gift  on it,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;he is bound by his oath.'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You  blind men! Which is greater:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;the gift, or the altar that makes the gift  sacred?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Therefore, he  who swears by the altar&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;swears by it and by everything on it.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;And he who swears by the  temple&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;And he who swears by heaven&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt; swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;(Matt 23:16-22)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;It's  clear from the this criticism that the Pharisees believed the  particular wording of an oath made a difference in whether that oath had  any binding force.&amp;nbsp; In other words, the Pharisees viewed oaths as  having levels of equivocation.&amp;nbsp; Swearing a certain way might not  necessarily mean a person had to deliver on precisely what he said.&amp;nbsp; Now  notice Jesus' words about oaths in the Sermon on the Mount:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Again, you have heard  that it was said to the people long ago,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;'Do not break your oath,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;but  keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;But I tell you, Do not swear at all:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;either by  heaven, for it is God's throne;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;or  by the earth, for it is his footstool;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;or by Jerusalem, for it is the  city of the Great King.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;And  do not swear by your head,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;for you cannot make even one hair white or  black.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Simply let your  'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No';&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;anything beyond this comes from the  evil one.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;(Matt 5:33-37)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Equivocation  is also Jesus' point in the Sermon on the Mount.&amp;nbsp; Any oath taking or  swearing by any combination of words or formulas should not mean  anything different than one simply agrees to do something without such  formulas.&amp;nbsp; Oath formulas should not make a person anymore bound to act  on what he agreed than simply saying "Yes, I'll do that."&amp;nbsp; The Pharisees  had codified some system of oath-taking where people did not  necessarily have to mean what they said.&amp;nbsp; It is likely then that Jesus  is taking issue with the Pharisaical stance on oath taking in the Sermon  on the Mount and not with the Old Law.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Thus,  the author of Matthew represents at least two of these issues as  particular points of direct debate between Jesus and the Pharisees.&amp;nbsp;  It's clear from Matthew 19 and 23 that Jesus does not take the Pharisees  to be interpreting the Moses correctly.&amp;nbsp; This clearly suggests that on  these two matters, Jesus is taking issue with the Pharisees, not Moses.&amp;nbsp;  Being that these two items show up on a list of others, i think it's  likely the rest of the listed items (adultery, murder, hating enemies,  etc.) are also points at which Jesus is taking issue not with Moses but  with the Pharisees.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div 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term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Love and Marriage (1)</title><content type='html'>&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love is being willing to have your life complicated by the needs and struggles of your husband or wife without impatience or anger.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love is actively fighting the temptation to be critical and judgmental toward your spouse, while looking for ways to encourage and praise.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love is the daily commitment to resist the needless moments of conflict that come from pointing out and responding to minor offenses.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Love is being lovingly honest and humbly approachable in times of misunderstanding, and being more committed to unity and love than you are to winning, accusing, or being right.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Paul David Tripp 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href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/love-and-marriage-1.html' title='Love and Marriage (1)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4230246437806699469</id><published>2010-09-15T06:00:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-15T06:00:06.476-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='textual study'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='matthew'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sermon on the mount'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hermeneutics'/><title type='text'>The Sermon on the Mount (2)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlibQrNFoI/AAAAAAAAAIs/1wgrf6cjH4I/s1600/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlibQrNFoI/AAAAAAAAAIs/1wgrf6cjH4I/s320/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In this post, i'll give the next 3 reasons why the OT vs. NT view &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;cannot be correct interpretation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; of the Sermon on the Mount.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;3. Jesus' quotes do not portray the text of the OT accurately.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;If  Jesus' quotes are meant to be of the OT scriptures, then we're forced  to conclude that Jesus both misquotes the OT and also quotes material  not found in the OT.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;For instance, he says,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You have heard that&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;it  was said to the people long ago,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;'Do not murder,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;and anyone who murders&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;will be  subject to judgment.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;(Matt 5:21)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;'Do  not murder' can be taken right out of the ten commandments given in  Exodus 20.&amp;nbsp; 'Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment' however is  not a quote taken from the OT. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Again, Jesus says,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You have heard&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;that it  was said,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;'Love your neighbor&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;and hate your enemy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;(Matt 5:43)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;'Love your neighbor' can be a quote taken from Leviticus 19:18.&amp;nbsp; But 'hate your enemy' is not a quote from the OT scriptures.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;It  seems clear that the author of Matthew intends to present Jesus as the  Messiah of Old Testament prophecy---that Jesus fulfills all those  prophecies.&amp;nbsp; Matthew also presents Jesus as having an impressive  teaching-prowess.&amp;nbsp; People were amazed by His teaching (Matt 7:28).&amp;nbsp;  People in the synagogue were amazed by Jesus' wisdom (Matt 13:54).&amp;nbsp;  Matthew presents Jesus as having an uncanny ability to wrestle with the  scriptures such that people couldn't answer him and were even afraid to  (Matt 22:41-46).&amp;nbsp; Matthew presents Jesus as able to give startlingly  clever answers to difficult questions (Matt&amp;nbsp; 22:15-22).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Why then would Matthew present Jesus as unable to quote the OT accurately?&amp;nbsp; This would seem to &lt;i&gt;hurt&lt;/i&gt;  Matthew's case.&amp;nbsp; If Jesus is who He claims to be, is it not reasonable  to assume that Jesus is perfectly capable of reciting the text of the  OT?&amp;nbsp; Further, Jesus' audience likely knew their OT.&amp;nbsp; If Jesus went  around misquoting the OT, any number of people He encountered could've  called Him on it.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;If  we interpret Jesus to be referring to the OT here in the Sermon on the  Mount, this is quite an anomaly in Matthew's otherwise very clear  pattern and theme.&amp;nbsp; Arguably first, Jesus knew the OT and could quote it  accurately.&amp;nbsp; And second, as i've said, Matthew wouldn't have wanted to  portray it any other way.&amp;nbsp; If we interpret Jesus as referencing the OT,  we belittle His abilities and harm Matthew's case.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;4. Some of Jesus' instructions are only applicable to Jews.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus  cannot have meant to revoke the commands in the Law of Moses because He  gives applications of His teaching that could only be carried out by  those who were habitually keeping the commands in the Law of Moses.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;Therefore if you  are presenting your offering at  the altar,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;and there remember that your brother has something against  you,&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;leave your  offering there before the altar and go;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;first be reconciled to your brother,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;and then come and present your offering.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;(Matt 5:23-24)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus  here refers to temple sacrifice and worship.&amp;nbsp; Interpersonal  reconciliation, Jesus teaches, should take priority over the timeliness  of keeping Moses' commands about sacrificial offerings.&amp;nbsp; The people who  could put this teaching into practicing had to be practicing Jews.&amp;nbsp; This  certainly isn't a teaching aimed at Christians since Christians are  never commanded to practice ritual temple sacrifices.&amp;nbsp; If the teaching  is aimed at practicing Jews and not at Christians, then it's hardly the  case that Jesus means to revoke or replace the teachings of Moses.&amp;nbsp; At  best this would construe Jesus as teaching people to obey some but not  all of the Law (--which, once again, is incompatible with His express  intent in 5:17-19).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;5. Some of what Jesus affirms is clearly already taught in the OT.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;It  cannot be the case that Jesus intends to revoke or abrogate the Law of  Moses in the Sermon on the Mount because Jesus enjoins on His listeners  instructions that are already taught in the OT. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;For instance, Jesus says,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You have heard that it  was said&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;to the people long ago,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;'Do not murder,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;and anyone who murders&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;will be  subject to judgment.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;But I tell you that  anyone&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;who is angry with his brother&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;sup style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;will be subject to judgment.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Again,  anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;is answerable to the Sanhedrin.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;But anyone who says, 'You fool!'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;will be in danger of the fire of hell.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;(Matt 5:21-22)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus cannot mean to offer something which differs from what the OT taught in this passage because the OT &lt;i&gt;already taught &lt;/i&gt;Jews  not to mistreat each other in the way Jesus describes.&amp;nbsp; Jews were  forbidden from hating each other in their hearts (Lev 19:17). Jews were  forbidden from bearing grudges and resentments against one another (Lev  19:18).&amp;nbsp; The writer of Proverbs says that fools vent their anger but  wise men keep themselves under control (Prov 29:11). &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus also said,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You have heard that it  was said,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;But I tell you: Love your  enemies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;and pray for those who persecute  you&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;(Matt 5:43-44)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus cannot mean to offer something contrastive to the OT because the OT already taught Jews to do good to their enemies.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;If you come across your enemy's ox&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;or donkey wandering off,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;be sure to  take it back to him.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;If you see the donkey&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;of one who hates you&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;lying helpless under its  load,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;you shall refrain from leaving it to him,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;you shall surely release  it with him. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;(Exo 23:4-5) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;If your enemy is hungry,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;give him food to eat;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;And if he is  thirsty,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;give him water to drink;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;(Prov 25:21)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;The  OT already taught Jews to be loving enemies as a personal ethic.&amp;nbsp; Thus  Jesus cannot be offering something different than the OT when the OT  doesn't teach something different. Jesus cannot be countermanding,  revoking, or abrogating Moses if He ends up telling people to do what  Moses already told them to do.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Based on these 5 reasons, i believe the OT vs. NT view of the Sermon on the Mount is false.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4230246437806699469?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4230246437806699469/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4230246437806699469' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4230246437806699469'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4230246437806699469'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/sermon-on-mount-2.html' title='The Sermon on the Mount (2)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlibQrNFoI/AAAAAAAAAIs/1wgrf6cjH4I/s72-c/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2573662699774682087</id><published>2010-09-14T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-14T06:00:00.977-05:00</updated><title type='text'>What Do We Expect Clergymen To Do?</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The pastoral vocation is to help people grow  spiritually, resist their  lowest impulses and adopt higher, more  compassionate ways. But  churchgoers increasingly want pastors to soothe  and entertain them. It's  apparent in the theater-style seating and  giant projection screens in  churches and in mission trips that involve  more sightseeing than  listening to the local people.&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;em&gt;As a result, pastors are constantly forced to choose, as they  work  through congregants' daily wish lists in their e-mail and voice  mail,  between paths of personal integrity and those that portend  greater job  security. As religion becomes a consumer experience, the  clergy become  more unhappy and unhealthy.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--G. Jeffrey MacDonald&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2573662699774682087?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2573662699774682087/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2573662699774682087' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2573662699774682087'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2573662699774682087'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/what-do-we-expect-clergymen-to-do.html' title='What Do We Expect Clergymen To Do?'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7241958008087345034</id><published>2010-09-13T06:00:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-13T12:24:17.436-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='textual study'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='matthew'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sermon on the mount'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hermeneutics'/><title type='text'>The Sermon on the Mount (1)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlhvNE5m4I/AAAAAAAAAIk/kJ-KiAgrgng/s1600/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlhvNE5m4I/AAAAAAAAAIk/kJ-KiAgrgng/s320/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i've encountered handfuls of people who claim that Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount is contrasting the Old Testament with the New Testament.&amp;nbsp; Jesus is citing or discussing what is recorded in the Old Covenant, and He's claiming to change or abolish or bring a stop to that and establish His own new way--the way of Christianity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i'm currently reading &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Non-Resistance-Adin-Ballou/dp/0972501711/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1281282489&amp;amp;sr=8-1-spell"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Christian Non-resistance&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Adin Ballou.&amp;nbsp; He is quite insistent on making this same claim.&amp;nbsp; He believes, at least in Matthew 5 in the "you have heard that it was said" statements, that Jesus must be referring to the teachings of Moses, and thus, Jesus must be &lt;i&gt;countermanding&lt;/i&gt; those teachings.&amp;nbsp; Ballou goes as far as to say that anyone trying to escape this interpretation is simply trying to evade Christ's teachings about non-violence.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Well, i'm not.&amp;nbsp; i happen to agree with Ballou's basic presentation of Christ's teachings on non-violence.&amp;nbsp; However, i disagree that in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus is countermanding Moses. (For brevity's sake, i'll refer to this as the "OT vs. NT" view.)&amp;nbsp; Jesus cannot be pitting His teachings against that of Moses, and i can give 5 reasons why that is the case.&amp;nbsp; In this post, i'll present the first 2 reasons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;1. Jesus plainly states that His purpose was not to countermand Moses.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Do not think that I have come&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;to abolish the Law or the Prophets;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;will by any means disappear from the Law&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;until everything is accomplished.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;and teaches others to do the same&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;will be called least in the kingdom of heaven,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;but whoever practices and teaches these commands&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;(Matt 5:17-19)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;This, i think, is the most condemning evidence against the OT vs. NT view.&amp;nbsp; If we view the Sermon on the Mount that way, we make Jesus out to contradict Himself. He clearly states that He doesn't want anyone to think He means to abolish (abrogate, countermand, revoke, nullify) any of the commands of Moses.&amp;nbsp; Yet if we take the view that Jesus is recounting Old Testament Law, then replacing it with His own teachings, we make Him out to be doing exactly that.&amp;nbsp; If the OT vs. NT view is true, Jesus starts by telling people they'd better keep all the commands in the Law, then in the very next section, tells them one by one all the commands in the Law they &lt;i&gt;shouldn't&lt;/i&gt; keep and do what He teaches instead.&amp;nbsp; i don't think any interpretation that implies such blatant contradiction in Jesus' words can be considered an accurate one.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;2. Jesus does not use His trademark phrase for quoting the Old Testament.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Matthew well-establishes a trademark phrase for Jesus when quoting the Old Testament.&amp;nbsp; When quoting the Old Testament, Jesus uses the phrase, "it is written."&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;He does so immediately prior to the Sermon on the Mount &lt;br /&gt;during His temptation by the devil (Matt 4:4, 6, 7, 10). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus uses the phrase when speaking of OT &lt;br /&gt;prophecy regarding John the Baptist (Matt 11:10).&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus uses this phrase when &lt;br /&gt;cleansing the temple (Matt 21:13).&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;He uses the phrase when quoting prophecy &lt;br /&gt;and predicting that His disciples will abandon Him &lt;br /&gt;just before His arrest (Matt 26:31).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In other words, the author of Matthew establishes a clear pattern or tell-tale-sign for Jesus' use of the OT scriptures.&amp;nbsp; Yet in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; say "it is written" when speaking of the ideas He criticizes.&amp;nbsp; Rather He says, "you have heard that it was said."&amp;nbsp; This is clear evidence that Matthew intends us &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to interpret Jesus as quoting the OT scriptures.&amp;nbsp; If Jesus is not quoting the OT scriptures, then the OT vs. NT view is simply false. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7241958008087345034?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7241958008087345034/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7241958008087345034' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7241958008087345034'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7241958008087345034'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/sermon-on-mount-1.html' title='The Sermon on the Mount (1)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TGlhvNE5m4I/AAAAAAAAAIk/kJ-KiAgrgng/s72-c/Sermon+on+the+Mount.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7728894820258235732</id><published>2010-09-10T06:00:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-10T06:00:08.132-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='middle-east'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='islam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quran'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics'/><title type='text'>Burning the Quran in Florida</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Richard Land has come out strongly in opposition to the scheduled book-burning in Florida.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=30096"&gt;You can read about it here&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i have to say i find it reprehensible as well.&amp;nbsp; i remember a "book-burning" in Acts when people who had converted to Christianity from some sort of pagan-sorcery brought sacred-texts from their former religion to be burned. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;But that is hardly the same in character of what's going to happen on Saturday.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i just don't see any biblical warrant for this event.&amp;nbsp; In fact, it seems to me if Islam truly is a frightening threat to the church, the Christian thing to do is pray and send missionaries into the most Islam-permeated parts of the world and infect it with the beliefs and practices taught by Christ.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7728894820258235732?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7728894820258235732/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7728894820258235732' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7728894820258235732'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7728894820258235732'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/burning-quran-in-florida.html' title='Burning the Quran in Florida'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4898934540091138885</id><published>2010-09-09T06:00:00.010-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-09T06:00:03.999-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='early christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>A Heathen Philosopher's Critique of Early Christians</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;"Celsus, a heathen philosopher, wrote an elaborate work against the Christians, about the middle of the second century. One of his grave allegations was in the following words: 'You will not bear arms in the service of the empire when your services are needed, and if all the nations should act upon this principle, the empire would be overrun by the barbarians.'"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Taken From Adin Ballou's &lt;/span&gt;&lt;u style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Christian Non-Resistance &lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;(This argument made by an  anti-Christian writer against the early church sounds very similar to  arguments some &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;modern  Christians&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; make  against pacifism.&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4898934540091138885?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4898934540091138885/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4898934540091138885' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4898934540091138885'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4898934540091138885'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/heathen-philosophers-critique-of-early.html' title='A Heathen Philosopher&apos;s Critique of Early Christians'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2949564395690024410</id><published>2010-09-08T06:00:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-08T06:00:05.736-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love for enemies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Believing That Good Can Overcome Evil</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFyL2tj_YcI/AAAAAAAAAIc/7YpdqKfoFt0/s1600/overcome+evil+with+good.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFyL2tj_YcI/AAAAAAAAAIc/7YpdqKfoFt0/s320/overcome+evil+with+good.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i've never completely bought the idea that Judas betrayed Jesus just for the money.&amp;nbsp; Perhaps he did--John's gospel indicates that he stole from the money pool shared by Jesus and the disciples.&amp;nbsp; But i've wondered if maybe Judas wasn't trying to force Jesus' hand.&amp;nbsp; Perhaps Judas, like many of his fellow Jews, believed that God would raise up a leader who would oppose the Roman oppressors by force and re-establish a sovereign Israel in all its Old Testament glory.&amp;nbsp; Perhaps Judas thought he could back Jesus into a corner and make him finally fight the authorities.&amp;nbsp; Maybe not.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Whether or not that's true of Judas, i think it's arguable that many of Jesus' disciples were stumped.&amp;nbsp; Why wasn't he more aggressive?&amp;nbsp; Why didn't He just rain down fire on the enemies of Israel?&amp;nbsp; And it seems fairly clear that they viewed His arrest and crucifixion as a defeat.&amp;nbsp; It doesn't appear they could even consider the possibility that what they were witnessing was a victory.&amp;nbsp; It doesn't appear to occur to them that violence and oppression and evil could be overcome &lt;i&gt;without resorting to violence and oppression and evil.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i don't think we're generally any different from them.&amp;nbsp; i think we still reason the same way.&amp;nbsp; How can i possibly win a fight without ever throwing a punch or pulling out a weapon?&amp;nbsp; How can i possibly escape being injured now and in the future unless i injure in return or even injure pre-emptively?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i remember sitting in a class about the Sermon on the Mount at my home congregation a couple years ago.&amp;nbsp; The sections about turning the other cheek and loving your enemy were read aloud.&amp;nbsp; Immediately people raised their hands: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;"He can't possibly mean that."&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;"You can't just let people walk all over you."&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;"How can it be okay to let people &lt;br /&gt;commit evil against you?" &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;"Common sense tells you there's a point &lt;br /&gt;at which you have to fight back." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;"What if your kid was watching you?&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;You can't let your child see you get hit."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And so some people said you can't take Jesus' words literally here.&amp;nbsp; Others said you should try to do what He said up to a point, but then it's perfectly okay to retaliate as a last resort.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;What Jesus describes as an ethic, as a way of doing the right thing, as a way to be like God--we clearly see that &lt;i&gt;as a strategy for defeat&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; We can't seem to even entertain the possibility that what's being described is a strategy for victory.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Why?&amp;nbsp; Why does this seem so backwards to us?&amp;nbsp; i'd like to suggest an answer:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Because we don't really believe that good and overcome evil&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;No, we'd never say it like that. We reserve the right to call some level of retaliation or inflicting of injury &lt;i&gt;good.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/i&gt;Why do we still want to call it good?&amp;nbsp; Because, like i said, i don't think we really, &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; believe that evil can be defeated any other way.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;We believe that either right off the bat, or as a last resort, or at least in the final analysis of extreme-circumstance, evil has to be met on its own terms.&amp;nbsp; Guns have to be met with bigger guns.&amp;nbsp; Someone sucker-punching you repeatedly eventually has to be met with you eventually&amp;nbsp; sucker-punching him in return.&amp;nbsp; Someone scheming against you at work eventually must be met with scheming against her in return.&amp;nbsp; Violent invading nations must be met with bigger or more capable armies or well-placed assassins' bullets or some other force at least as destructive as that of the invaders.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;At base, we think the only way to beat the bad guys &lt;i&gt;is to be like them&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; They hit us?&amp;nbsp; We hit them.&amp;nbsp; They harm?&amp;nbsp; We harm.&amp;nbsp; They injure?&amp;nbsp; We injure.&amp;nbsp; Maybe we're obligated not to be &lt;i&gt;as &lt;/i&gt;harmful, or &lt;i&gt;as &lt;/i&gt;injurious, or &lt;i&gt;as &lt;/i&gt;brutal as them.&amp;nbsp; But still, at the end of the day, that's the only way to win.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;So we read Jesus' words in Matt 5 and just don't believe that His way of doing things could possibly work.&amp;nbsp; 'There's no way i could do what Jesus wants me to do, because if i did, it would never work, and evil people would just hurt me all the time.'&amp;nbsp; And it seems so obvious to us that we think, 'Surely Jesus had the same common sense that i have.' And based on that we conclude that He couldn't possibly have meant what He said, and we need to read between the lines to 'round off' the sharp-edged-ness of His words.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;But is our 'common sense' gut reaction any different than the trouble the disciples had making sense of Jesus?&amp;nbsp; i think the gospels make very clear that Jesus repeatedly telling them of His impending death made absolutely no sense to them.&amp;nbsp; Peter finally spoke up and said, "no way, we won't let that happen."&amp;nbsp; After all--how could Jesus do all Peter expected Him to do if He were killed?&amp;nbsp; It made no sense.&amp;nbsp; To them, what He was saying quite obviously wouldn't work.&amp;nbsp; So they couldn't take Him at His word.&amp;nbsp; He must've meant something else.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Even though Jesus repeated it over and over to them, they still wouldn't believe Him.&amp;nbsp; Even when Jesus was arrested in the garden, Peter whipped out his sword and started swinging.&amp;nbsp; Why not?&amp;nbsp; Aren't these the extreme circumstances?&amp;nbsp; Isn't this "last resort" violence if ever there were a case of it?&amp;nbsp; Wasn't this clearly the time and place to just not take it anymore? Didn't Peter have a noble purpose?&amp;nbsp; Wasn't this one of those rare but perfectly appropriate uses of violence and injury?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;But was Peter right?&amp;nbsp; Were the disciples right in how they tried to make sense of Jesus?&amp;nbsp; Despite how obvious it was to them, despite how much their reason accorded with common sense, were they right?&amp;nbsp; No.&amp;nbsp; They were dead wrong.&amp;nbsp; Jesus refusing to become an earthly king and engaging His enemies in an earthly battle, Jesus submitting to death on a cross--this was victory.&amp;nbsp; This overcame the sin and evil in the world.&amp;nbsp; Jesus was raised from the dead, and God proved that evil will be overcome with good.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;And at the time, they just wouldn't believe it.&amp;nbsp; And i don't think we believe it either.&amp;nbsp; What weapons did Jesus use to fight?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not swords.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not fists.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not political conquest.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not an army.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not intimidation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not bombs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not preemptive strikes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not an arms race.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not deceit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not slander.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not gossip.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not rumor-mongering.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not the cold shoulder.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not rudeness.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not mockery.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not stealing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not trickery.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not injury. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Not one single weapon that we think is absolutely necessary to beat the bad guys was a part of Jesus' arsenal.&amp;nbsp; What &lt;i&gt;did &lt;/i&gt;Jesus fight with?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Truth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Purity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Forgiveness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Kindness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Generosity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Meekness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Compassion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Service&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Hospitality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Integrity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Prayer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Patience&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Suffering&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;That's it, my friends.&amp;nbsp; You might be able to squeeze a few more on to that list, but none of them will be fundamentally different in character from what is already there.&amp;nbsp; These are the weapons of Christ.&amp;nbsp; This is the way Jesus taught us how to fight, how to win, how to overcome.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;But we just don't believe we can win this way.&amp;nbsp; We just can't accept that these weapons by themselves can defeat evil in the world and in our lives.&amp;nbsp; We just can't entertain the idea that using these, and only these, we can overcome people's hatred, violence, lying, deceit, anger, rudeness, etc.&amp;nbsp; We're convinced that if we were to use these and only these, we'd get hurt.&amp;nbsp; We'd get cheated.&amp;nbsp; We'd get abused.&amp;nbsp; We'd get disrespected.&amp;nbsp; We'd get taken advantage of.&amp;nbsp; We'd get injured, harmed, and defeated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;...kinda like Jesus was hurt?&amp;nbsp; Kinda like Jesus was disrespected?&amp;nbsp; Kinda like how Jesus was harmed?&amp;nbsp; In other words, if we did things the way Jesus did and taught, we might just have to live like Him?&amp;nbsp; (Perish the thought!)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Well, so what? How did that story end?&amp;nbsp; Both in the beginning (people whom Jesus repented, people who were healed, converted, grew in character and righteousness) and in the end of Jesus time on earth &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;(Christ's resurrection from the dead)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;, that story&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;, that strategy overcoming-evil-with-good, ended in victory.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Good can, does, and will overcome evil.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus exemplified it.&amp;nbsp; Jesus proved that it works.&amp;nbsp; Jesus taught us to live the same way.&amp;nbsp; So do we believe it or not?&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2949564395690024410?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2949564395690024410/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' 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MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Mother Teresa&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-839665922781437547?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/839665922781437547/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=839665922781437547' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/839665922781437547'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/839665922781437547'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/need-for-tanks-and-generals.html' title='The Need For Tanks And Generals'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7699083663732585004</id><published>2010-09-06T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-06T06:00:02.274-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love for enemies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Loving People Regardless of What They Do or How They Respond</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="color: red;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;"Love your enemies, and pray for those that persecute you" (Matt 5:44)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;"This love...intuitively and spontaneously dictates the doing of good to others, whether &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; do good or evil.&amp;nbsp; It operates independently of external influences and being in its nature absolutely unselfish, is not affected by the merit or demerit of its objects.&amp;nbsp; It does not inquire, "Am I loved? Have I been benefited?&amp;nbsp; Have my merits been appreciated?&amp;nbsp; Shall I be blessed in return?&amp;nbsp; Or am I hated, injured, cursed and condemned?" Whether others love or hate, bless or curse, benefit or injure, it says, "I will do right; I will love still; I will bless; I will never injure even the most &lt;i&gt;injurious&lt;/i&gt;; I will overcome evil with good."&amp;nbsp; Therefore its goodness is not measured by or adjusted to the goodness of others, but ever finds in itself a sufficient reason for doing good and nothing but good to all moral agents."&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;--Adin Ballou, Christ Non-Resistance&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7699083663732585004?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7699083663732585004/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7699083663732585004' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7699083663732585004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7699083663732585004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/loving-people-regardless-of-what-they.html' title='Loving People Regardless of What They Do or How They Respond'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2967618411146684833</id><published>2010-09-03T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-03T06:00:02.142-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Why Do People Die of Hunger?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;If our poor die of hunger, it is not because God does not care for them.&amp;nbsp; Rather, it is because neither&amp;nbsp; you nor I are generous enough.&amp;nbsp; It is because we are not instruments of love in the hands of God. We do not recognize Christ when once again He appears to us in the hungry man, in the lonely woman, in the child who is looking for a place to get warm.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Mother Teresa&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2967618411146684833?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2967618411146684833/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2967618411146684833' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2967618411146684833'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2967618411146684833'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/why-do-people-die-of-hunger.html' title='Why Do People Die of Hunger?'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8337982461823702424</id><published>2010-09-02T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-02T06:00:01.194-05:00</updated><title type='text'>When Helping The Needy Is Difficult</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;When we handle the sick and the needy we touch the suffering body of Christ and this touch will make us heroic; it will make us forget the repugnance and the natural tendencies in us.&amp;nbsp; We need they eyes of deep faith to see Christ in the broken body and dirty clothes under which the most beautiful one among the sons of men hides.&amp;nbsp; We shall need the hands of Christ to touch these bodies wounded by pain and suffering.&amp;nbsp; Intense love does not measure--it just gives.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Mother Teresa&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8337982461823702424?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8337982461823702424/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8337982461823702424' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8337982461823702424'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8337982461823702424'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/when-helping-needy-is-difficult.html' title='When Helping The Needy Is Difficult'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2020488010244188606</id><published>2010-09-01T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-09-01T06:00:01.998-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Language'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prejudice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Cussing 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbzxase-_I/AAAAAAAAAIU/9AqBm7utMRI/s1600/No+Cursing+2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbzxase-_I/AAAAAAAAAIU/9AqBm7utMRI/s320/No+Cursing+2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;Emphasizing  moral taboos like "cussing" can lead to bad moral priorities.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus described some things as  gnats and some things as camels (Matt 23:23).&amp;nbsp; He chided the Pharisees  for the amount of effort they put into avoiding swallowing "gnats," but  how they exerted very little effort at avoiding swallowing "camels."&amp;nbsp;  Doesn't some people's attitudes and behaviors about cussing fall under  this same scrutiny?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;People walk out of movie  theaters when there's cussing, but how do those same people feel about  millions of children dying of preventable diseases?&amp;nbsp; People would likely  be shocked, offended, and even walk out of a church if their preacher  were to cuss from the pulpit.&amp;nbsp; Would they react at least as offended if  he were to say in a subtle way that they had little or no obligation to  help the poor?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;People can become so offended by hearing cussing  that they will confront complete strangers and tell them to stop  cussing.&amp;nbsp; Do they become at least as offended when people are  unforgiving or unmerciful or indifferent toward each other?&amp;nbsp; People get  alarmed when they can hear their neighbors cuss outside their houses.&amp;nbsp;  Are they equally as alarmed that their neighbors are not followers of  Christ and may be eternally lost?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Is some arbitrary word-list  that we deem offensive really as important as the rest of these things?&amp;nbsp;  If it's at least equally important, then why don't our reactions to all  these things reflect being equally offended?&amp;nbsp; i think it's arguably the  case that these other things are more important than cussing, yet it's  certainly not the case that people on the whole &lt;i&gt;act&lt;/i&gt; more offended  by those things than by cussing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;We would get up and stomp out  of a church in a huff if a preacher cuss, but we're perfectly content to  sit in a cuss-free church service all the while bearing a grudge  against someone in the room.&amp;nbsp; What does that say about our moral  priorities?&amp;nbsp; What does that say about what matters most to us?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2020488010244188606?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2020488010244188606/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2020488010244188606' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2020488010244188606'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2020488010244188606'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/09/cussing-3.html' title='Cussing 3'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbzxase-_I/AAAAAAAAAIU/9AqBm7utMRI/s72-c/No+Cursing+2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4772579912177575583</id><published>2010-08-31T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-31T06:00:05.160-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Conquering The World</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;If we really want to conquer the world, we will not be able to do it with bombs or with other weapons of destruction.&amp;nbsp; Let us conquer the world with our love.&amp;nbsp; Let us interweave our lives with bonds of sacrifice and love, and it will be possible for us to conquer the world.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Mother Teresa&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4772579912177575583?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4772579912177575583/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4772579912177575583' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4772579912177575583'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4772579912177575583'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/conquering-world.html' title='Conquering The World'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2854115251641017479</id><published>2010-08-30T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-30T06:00:12.710-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Language'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prejudice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Cussing 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbx6V-7R1I/AAAAAAAAAIM/Icda3bTfOCI/s1600/cussing+man.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbx6V-7R1I/AAAAAAAAAIM/Icda3bTfOCI/s320/cussing+man.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Our moral  superstitions about cussing can keep us from reaching people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Some people are so offended by  hearing cussing they refuse to even "be around it."&amp;nbsp; People refuse to  buy movies that have cussing in them.&amp;nbsp; People even walk out of theaters  when someone cusses in a movie.&amp;nbsp; People even walk away from other people  who start cussing.&amp;nbsp; People even confront others, "Please don't cuss  around me!"&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;My parents love to watch movies.&amp;nbsp; And i remember my  mother often saying, "That movie would've been just as good without all  the cussing in it."&amp;nbsp; i used to heartily agree and say it myself when  reviewing films.&amp;nbsp; But now i think i missed the point.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Yeah, i'm sure i  would've thought the movie was just as good.&amp;nbsp; But the fact is a lot of  people cuss.&amp;nbsp; And a lot of people hear a lot of other people  cuss--people around them, close to them, even related to them, even  their best friends.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;While cussing may sound offensive to you or me, the  fact is there are a great many people for whom this language is  normal.&amp;nbsp; There are even people who are so familiar with these words,  that they find it easier to express themselves using them than not (even  though they're perfectly intelligent enough to think of other words to  say). &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;What does my enforcement of  cussing taboos say to them?&amp;nbsp; If i say, "Don't cuss around me," what have  i communicated to someone?&amp;nbsp; Perhaps, "you're too offensive for me to  listen to."&amp;nbsp; If i get up and leave, what does that say?&amp;nbsp; Perhaps,  "you're too offensive for me to spend time with, love, or pay attention  to."&amp;nbsp; Do you really think Jesus would get up and walk away from that  person?&amp;nbsp; Do you really think Jesus would say "stop speaking to me in  your own way"?&amp;nbsp; Maybe i'm wrong, but i definitely see the Pharisees  acting this way but not Jesus.&amp;nbsp; The Pharisees wouldn't be around or  spend time with people they thought of as "sinners."&amp;nbsp; Yet these are the  very people Jesus spent a great deal of His time with.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;If we're so offended by cussing  that we have to walk away from or hush people, how are we even going to  talk to people we're supposed to be trying to reach?&amp;nbsp; Don't you hope  people would choose to overlook something in you in order to love you  and try to reach you if you needed it?&amp;nbsp; That's certainly what Jesus did  for us all.&amp;nbsp; If Jesus felt He had to leave or stop people from  communicating every time He detected something offensive, where would we  be now?&amp;nbsp; In what state would that leave us?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Any set of rules that leads to  us failing to reach people, failing to love people, and failing to be  Christ-like to people cannot possibly be a good ethical strategy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2854115251641017479?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2854115251641017479/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2854115251641017479' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2854115251641017479'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2854115251641017479'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/cussing-2.html' title='Cussing 2'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbx6V-7R1I/AAAAAAAAAIM/Icda3bTfOCI/s72-c/cussing+man.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8319547096889754304</id><published>2010-08-27T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-27T06:00:08.152-05:00</updated><title type='text'>War and Peace</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;If we don’t end war, war will end us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;— &lt;em&gt;H.G. Wells&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="body quote short-quote"&gt;&lt;div&gt;                                 &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8319547096889754304?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8319547096889754304/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8319547096889754304' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8319547096889754304'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8319547096889754304'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/war-and-peace.html' title='War and Peace'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2093614572827302059</id><published>2010-08-26T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-26T06:00:07.785-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Patience</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;How can a society that exists on instant mashed potatoes,  packaged cake mixes, frozen dinners, and instant cameras teach patience  to its young?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;— &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Paul Sweeney&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2093614572827302059?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2093614572827302059/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2093614572827302059' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2093614572827302059'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2093614572827302059'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/patience.html' title='Patience'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5281447765771753719</id><published>2010-08-25T06:00:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-25T06:00:10.663-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Language'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prejudice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Cussing 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbxFFe39SI/AAAAAAAAAIE/DkCAmLOgW_s/s1600/No+Cursing+Sign.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbxFFe39SI/AAAAAAAAAIE/DkCAmLOgW_s/s320/No+Cursing+Sign.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7918465/Vicar-tells-churchgoers-to-swear-more.html" style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Vicar Tells Churchgoers To Swear More&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;If this Vicar thinks Jesus cussed on no other basis than that Jesus was poor, uneducated, and didn't keep company with Pharisees and scholars, then i am not at all convinced.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i don't think Christians should start using "cuss words" in order to fit in or get in touch with the "common man."&amp;nbsp; But the article does brings to my mind a couple things about "cussing" that i think are important.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Embracing taboos about "cussing" can sustain and morally codify social prejudices.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Quite a few of our culture's "cuss words" are actually the result of oppression and imperialism.&amp;nbsp; Consider the following:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;It's no coincidence that most acceptable words for intimate body parts  and their functions, words like copulate, defecate, urinate, derriere,  penis, pudendum, have Latin or French roots. England was conquered by  the Norman French in 1066 and by the Romans a thousand years before. The  stamps of those conquests are still impressed upon our language just as  American Blacks still bear the names of masters rather than of  ancestors. The conquerors got to say what was good and bad, what was  permissible and impermissible, what was high class and what was low  class. No doubt they thought themselves the measure of all things right  and proper and their Anglo-Saxon subjects, serfs, and slaves, the  measure of all things undesirable. Their power and assurance were so  strong that they convinced their victims to conform to their standards.  So the old Anglo-Saxon words or words with Anglo-Saxon roots became  taboo while the languages of the conquerors remained acceptable, even  after conqueror and conquered had merged into a single race. Violence  and power reached beyond death and grasped the descendants of its  victims. There is no logical reason that any English speaker should be  allowed to say defecate but not shit, copulate but not fuck, derriere  but not ass.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;(&lt;a href="http://alllie.com/dirtywords.shtml"&gt;Taken From This Article&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;While many of the words we consider "cuss words" don't bear the &lt;i&gt;same&lt;/i&gt; ethnic or political prejudice with which they originated, they can still bear and sustain prejudice nonetheless.&amp;nbsp; From the perspective of many who consider cussing a moral taboo, cussing is seen as low-class, dirty, unsophisticated, and even unintelligent. (i can't tell you how many times i heard growing up, "They only talk that way because they're not smart enough to think of other words to say.")&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;If we don't cuss, and if we think of cussing in these ways, it's very easy then to view people who cuss with disdain and disregard--to &lt;i&gt;look down&lt;/i&gt; on other human beings because they use a list of words that we don't use. --to think people who don't cuss are better or more worthy of love and attention than people who do.&amp;nbsp; And we feel morally justified in acting on these prejudices. Why? Because those people use "dirty" words.&amp;nbsp; Thus, it actually becomes "right" to look down at other people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Since Jesus died on the cross for both cussers and non-cussers, i don't see how that could possibly be construed as a Christ-like attitude.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5281447765771753719?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5281447765771753719/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5281447765771753719' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5281447765771753719'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5281447765771753719'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/cussing-1.html' title='Cussing 1'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFbxFFe39SI/AAAAAAAAAIE/DkCAmLOgW_s/s72-c/No+Cursing+Sign.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-708210497685592874</id><published>2010-08-24T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-24T06:00:08.101-05:00</updated><title type='text'>What We Say And What We Do Aren't Always The Same</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Sure, we all sang “red and yellow, black and white” in Vacation Bible  School, but not many of us invited the red, yellow, black and white kids  to our birthday parties.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;  -Ronnie&amp;nbsp;Fauss &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-708210497685592874?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/708210497685592874/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=708210497685592874' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/708210497685592874'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/708210497685592874'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-we-say-and-what-we-do-arent-always.html' title='What We Say And What We Do Aren&apos;t Always The Same'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7487075858377173605</id><published>2010-08-23T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-23T06:00:06.259-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Resurrection'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='early christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgotten Christian Values:  The Resurrection</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFGqe5LkDHI/AAAAAAAAAH8/KwYYWBKfXf4/s1600/resurrection-by-michelangelo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFGqe5LkDHI/AAAAAAAAAH8/KwYYWBKfXf4/s320/resurrection-by-michelangelo.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Let nothing so disturb us, so fill us with sorrow or discouragement, as to make us forfeit the joy of the resurrection.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;--Mother Teres&lt;/i&gt;a&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Why doesn't resurrection from the dead matter more to us?&amp;nbsp; It appears that hope in bodily resurrection was a desire a pillar for the faith and life, and a distinguishing mark of the early church.&amp;nbsp; Paul said of his personal goal in life:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;"I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the  fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;to  attain to the resurrection from the dead&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;" (Phil 3:10-11)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Paul spent an entire chapter of 1Corinthians explaining the topic of resurrection, which likely means that the Corinthians had inquired about the subject among other things they asked him.&amp;nbsp; He also spends part of 1Thessalonians trying to explain how the resurrection will work.&amp;nbsp; Paul even remarks that false teaching about the resurrection cause some people's faith to be destroyed (2Tim 2:18).&amp;nbsp; The writer of Hebrews considered the resurrection of the dead to be an "elementary teaching of Christ" (Heb 6:1-2).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Galen, a Roman Doctor in the 2nd century mentions that Christians were known for two things, remarkable sexual restraint, and a belief in the resurrection of the dead.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Resurrection from the dead was clearly a pivotal part of Christian belief in the early church.&amp;nbsp; Is it just as important today?&amp;nbsp; Does the average person in the pew consider belief in a general resurrection of the dead at some point in the future to be a benchmark of his/her personal faith and discipleship?&amp;nbsp; In my experience, the answer is no.&amp;nbsp; In fact, in my experience, a striking number of church members i've encountered don't even believe in a bodily resurrection.&amp;nbsp; A greater number don't really think much of it, but instead focus on the state of existence immediately after death and think of that as the be-all end-all.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;So why?&amp;nbsp; Why doesn't resurrection matter more?&amp;nbsp; Why isn't this a critical part of the hope we have in Christ as it was for the early church?&amp;nbsp; Should it?&amp;nbsp; Shouldn't this be a point at which we seek to be like the first century in their belief?&amp;nbsp; How have we come to lose this emphasis on the resurrection?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7487075858377173605?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7487075858377173605/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7487075858377173605' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7487075858377173605'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7487075858377173605'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/forgotten-christian-values-resurrection.html' title='Forgotten Christian Values:  The Resurrection'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TFGqe5LkDHI/AAAAAAAAAH8/KwYYWBKfXf4/s72-c/resurrection-by-michelangelo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-1100146614416633157</id><published>2010-08-20T06:00:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-20T06:00:12.302-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Vanity and Futility</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"We spend money we don’t have on things we don’t need to create  impressions that won’t last on people we don’t care about."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Tim Jackson &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-1100146614416633157?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/1100146614416633157/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=1100146614416633157' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1100146614416633157'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1100146614416633157'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/vanity-and-futility.html' title='Vanity and Futility'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8681046735338236102</id><published>2010-08-19T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-19T06:00:00.424-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Love and Acceptance</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;There are many who leave the church because they find they are confronted by an inexplicable hostility toward solitude and individuality. In the  community that says 'God loves you,' many feel that the next line is 'and he dislikes everything about you.'&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: transparent; border: medium none; color: black; overflow: hidden; text-align: left; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Michael Spender, Mere Churchianity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8681046735338236102?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8681046735338236102/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8681046735338236102' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8681046735338236102'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8681046735338236102'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/love-and-acceptance.html' title='Love and Acceptance'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2272694632782176196</id><published>2010-08-18T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-18T06:00:07.897-05:00</updated><title type='text'>A Difference Between a Christian and a non-Christian</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;The difference between an unconverted and a converted man is not that  one has sins and the other has none; but that the one takes part with  his cherished sins against a dreaded God, and the other takes part with a  reconciled God against his hated sins.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; font-size: large;"&gt;--William Arnot &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2272694632782176196?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2272694632782176196/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2272694632782176196' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2272694632782176196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2272694632782176196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/difference-between-christian-and-non.html' title='A Difference Between a Christian and a non-Christian'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8866606371915913173</id><published>2010-08-17T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-17T06:00:01.247-05:00</updated><title type='text'>"The Least of These"</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Jews would not willingly tread upon the smallest piece of paper in  their way, but took it up; for possibly, they say, the name of God may  be on it. Though there was a little superstition in this, yet truly  there is nothing but good religion in it, if we apply it to men. Trample  not on any; there may be some work of grace there, that thou knowest  not of. The name of God may be written upon that soul thou treadest on;  it may be a soul that Christ thought so much of, as to give His precious  blood for it; therefore despise it not.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;--Samuel Taylor Coleridge &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8866606371915913173?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8866606371915913173/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8866606371915913173' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8866606371915913173'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8866606371915913173'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/least-of-these.html' title='&quot;The Least of These&quot;'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7524431154205479230</id><published>2010-08-16T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-16T06:00:06.528-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='paradigm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='worldview'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='theology'/><title type='text'>Jack Cottrell on Slavery To Paradigms</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.christianstandard.com/articledisplay.asp?id=1584"&gt;Read The Article Here from the Christian Standard.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Cottrell argues well from examples in history that people have a very difficult time letting go of paradigms even after much evidence has been amassed against those paradigms.&amp;nbsp; Cottrell mentions evolution, covenant theology, Calvinism, and Wesleyanism.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;I think he makes a good case.&amp;nbsp; Are there other paradigms we can think of that have this sort of sacrosanct status?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;But the article also brought to my mind, what about paradigms that are right?&amp;nbsp; If a paradigm is actually correct, will there never be apparent counter evidence?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7524431154205479230?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7524431154205479230/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7524431154205479230' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7524431154205479230'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7524431154205479230'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/jack-cottrell-on-slavery-to-paradigms.html' title='Jack Cottrell on Slavery To Paradigms'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4665260692368628372</id><published>2010-08-13T06:00:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-13T06:00:11.134-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='non-violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Martin Luther King  on Nonviolence</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;1) Nonviolence is resistance to evil and oppression. It is a human (and  humane) way  to fight.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) Nonviolence does not seek to defeat or humiliate the opponent, but to  win his/her friendship  and understanding.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) The nonviolent method is an attack on the forces of evil rather than  against persons doing the  evil. It seeks to defeat the evil and not the persons doing the evil and  injustice.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4) Nonviolence means willingness to accept suffering without  retaliation.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5) The nonviolent resister avoids both external physical and internal  spiritual violence - not  only refusing to shoot or strike, but also to hate, an opponent. The  ethic of real love is at  the center of nonviolence.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;6) The nonviolent resister has a deep faith in the future, and believes  that the forces in the  universe are ultimately on the side of justice.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;--Stride Towards Freedom: The Montgomery Circle &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4665260692368628372?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4665260692368628372/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4665260692368628372' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4665260692368628372'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4665260692368628372'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/martin-luther-king-on-nonviolence.html' title='Martin Luther King  on Nonviolence'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5033120480183691877</id><published>2010-08-12T09:45:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-12T09:45:00.438-05:00</updated><title type='text'>How Do I Know God's Will For My Life?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Students would come up to me and they would ask, ‘How can I know the  will of God for my life?’  And I knew what they meant. They meant, what  major to take, what jobs to pursue, who to marry…  But I said, ‘I know  exactly what the will of God is for your life.’ They said ‘Really? Tell  me!’  I said, ‘Holiness. Sexual purity. Pursue it with all of your  might. He’ll take care of the details.’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; font-size: large;"&gt;--John Piper &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5033120480183691877?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5033120480183691877/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5033120480183691877' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5033120480183691877'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5033120480183691877'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/how-do-i-know-gods-will-for-my-life.html' title='How Do I Know God&apos;s Will For My Life?'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4047685234450083910</id><published>2010-08-12T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-12T06:00:00.363-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wealth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='poverty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wealth Redistribution'/><title type='text'>Sharing The Wealth</title><content type='html'>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38556042/ns/us_news-giving/" style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;40 Billionaires Pledge To Donate Half Their Wealth&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4047685234450083910?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4047685234450083910/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4047685234450083910' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4047685234450083910'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4047685234450083910'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/sharing-wealth.html' title='Sharing The Wealth'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8595190321023629570</id><published>2010-08-11T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-11T06:00:04.361-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='patriotism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism and Priorities</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TD8vEJaGV4I/AAAAAAAAAH0/_3_T9xWMQ94/s1600/Guns+God+Religion+2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TD8vEJaGV4I/AAAAAAAAAH0/_3_T9xWMQ94/s320/Guns+God+Religion+2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Consider a few questions:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Do you, a Christian, believe it would be wrong for you to kill another Christian?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Do you, a Christian, believe there are other Christians all over the world?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Do you, a Christian, believe it would be wrong for you to go try to find Christians in another country and try to kill them?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;If you answered "yes" to them all, then what difference would it make if you had on a military uniform while you were doing it?&amp;nbsp; It may be that your country hasn't ordered the military to sniff out Christians specifically, but you are shooting bullets into groups of people which could include your brother in Christ.&amp;nbsp; Do you think it's okay to kill other Christians if you did so as part of your country's military campaign in the country where those other Christians reside?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;If you think a government-ordered military campaign makes it okay to kill other Christians (even unawares), how have you not implied that your loyalty to your country is &lt;i&gt;greater than &lt;/i&gt;your loyalty to your brothers and sisters in Christ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8595190321023629570?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8595190321023629570/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8595190321023629570' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8595190321023629570'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8595190321023629570'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/pacifism-and-priorities.html' title='Pacifism and Priorities'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TD8vEJaGV4I/AAAAAAAAAH0/_3_T9xWMQ94/s72-c/Guns+God+Religion+2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-3606705072200871667</id><published>2010-08-10T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-10T06:00:03.638-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>How Would You Respond To A Robber?</title><content type='html'>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/faith-stops-florida-robbery/story?id=11288067" style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Faith Overcomes Robbery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Above is a brief article and security video of a store clerk in Florida being robbed.&amp;nbsp; The clerk didn't panic, she didn't threaten in return, she didn't pull out a gun from behind the counter, she didn't assault the man trying to rob her.&amp;nbsp; She spoke to him peacefully.&amp;nbsp; She spoke to him about her faith in Christ.&amp;nbsp; She spoke to him not like an attacker, but like a human being who needs love and compassion.&amp;nbsp; Because she spoke to him like a person and not a threat, he was clearly caught off guard and couldn't maintain his role as an attacker.&amp;nbsp; What happened?&amp;nbsp; The robber left.&amp;nbsp; Imagine that--violence can be overcome without resorting to violence.&amp;nbsp; Do you imagine Jesus would've handled this situation much differently than did this woman?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-3606705072200871667?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/3606705072200871667/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=3606705072200871667' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/3606705072200871667'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/3606705072200871667'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/how-would-you-respond-to-robber.html' title='How Would You Respond To A Robber?'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-6237940937760312771</id><published>2010-08-09T10:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-09T10:00:02.148-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='resentment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bitterness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgiveness 4</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVRZEx74BI/AAAAAAAAAG8/IZtdPXJaBAU/s1600/Forgiveness+4.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVRZEx74BI/AAAAAAAAAG8/IZtdPXJaBAU/s320/Forgiveness+4.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;Maybe i want to   forgive, but it's hard.&amp;nbsp; i know this is right, but i struggle with   hard-heartedness about the situation.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;i need to decide that i will   forgive.&amp;nbsp; i need to pray and ask God to help me really forgive and   harbor no bitterness and resentment.&amp;nbsp; i need to accept that if it's   truly needed, God will do the "punishing" or "straightening" out of the   other person for what they did, and He's perfectly capable of doing His   own job.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i need to consider  that God feels about that person the very same way  He feels about me.&amp;nbsp;  He doesn't look down on them or think of them  differently or cold  shoulder them.&amp;nbsp; He is as warm and inviting and  desirous of them as He is  toward me.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And maybe i need to spend time praying for that person.&amp;nbsp; Careful here! i'm  automatically tempted to word that prayer in such a way  to find  another justification for my bitterness. "God, straighten  so-n-so out.&amp;nbsp;  Make him realize he's a jerk.&amp;nbsp; Make her realize she ought  to come back  to me groveling."&amp;nbsp; WRONG!&amp;nbsp; That's not the prayer i need at  all.&amp;nbsp;  i'm really just praying for me when i appear to be praying for that person.&amp;nbsp; That's just a good way to add hypocrisy to unforgiveness.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt; No, i  need to pray for &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; person.&amp;nbsp; Even say his/her name.&amp;nbsp;  "God, bless  so-n-so.&amp;nbsp; Comfort her.&amp;nbsp; Please keep his family safe.&amp;nbsp; Help  her to  succeed in her career.&amp;nbsp; Help him to have peace from all his  worry and  care.&amp;nbsp; Help him/her to feel encouraged and comforted by Your love and strength."&amp;nbsp; Now that's a prayer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;Maybe i'm still not  convinced.&amp;nbsp; Maybe i'm so hardened against a  person that i just don't  care.&amp;nbsp; If that's where i am, God has something to say to me.&amp;nbsp;  Plainly, if i don't  forgive that person, God won't forgive me.&amp;nbsp; It's  as simple as that.&amp;nbsp; He  said so (Mark 11:25; Matt 6:15).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;So is it worth  it?&amp;nbsp; Is it worth it to  lose God's forgiveness just so i can stay  bitter at someone?&amp;nbsp; Is it  worth to face God's judgment just so i  can keep bearing a grudge  against someone for a little while here on  earth?&amp;nbsp; Surely no matter how  hard-hearted i am, i can see that even  considering such a trade just  shows how bad a person &lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;I &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;am--not  the other person.&amp;nbsp; Will  i really let what that person did to me keep  me out of heaven?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-6237940937760312771?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/6237940937760312771/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=6237940937760312771' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6237940937760312771'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6237940937760312771'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/forgiveness-4.html' title='Forgiveness 4'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVRZEx74BI/AAAAAAAAAG8/IZtdPXJaBAU/s72-c/Forgiveness+4.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4685776054789826679</id><published>2010-08-06T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-06T11:05:51.945-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='resentment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bitterness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgiveness 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVO_uVmCXI/AAAAAAAAAG0/Ck-u4CBxy0M/s1600/forgiveness.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVO_uVmCXI/AAAAAAAAAG0/Ck-u4CBxy0M/s320/forgiveness.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;i remember asking myself before, &lt;i&gt;How&lt;/i&gt; do i forgive?&amp;nbsp; How do i just let this go?&amp;nbsp; i've honestly felt before like i wasn't in control of it, like i genuinely didn't know how to push the right buttons to get forgiveness to "work."&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;What i realized is that i have to &lt;i&gt;decide&lt;/i&gt; to forgive.&amp;nbsp; i have to make a very conscious decision about forgiveness.&amp;nbsp; It's not something that i just sit back and let happen or come about "naturally."&amp;nbsp; It doesn't work that way.&amp;nbsp; It's also easy to &lt;i&gt;say&lt;/i&gt; i've forgiven even   though i continue to do all sorts of things that manifest residual   bitterness and hard-heartedness.&amp;nbsp; i need to be very clear in my own mind   and heart about what i'm doing and saying when i commit to  forgiveness.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(1)  I will not dwell on the incident.&lt;br /&gt;(2) I will not bring up the  incident again or use it against that  person in the future.&lt;br /&gt;(3) I will not talk  about this incident to other people.&lt;br /&gt;(4) I will not let this incident effect the level of genuine respect and kindness i show that person.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;i know it's easy to read that list and instantly   feel the need to object, "wait..i'm not sure about some of those on that   list--surely that's too far, surely that just makes it too easy on the other person, surely that asks too much of me in getting over it."&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt; No, &lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;I&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt; need to stop and wait and ask myself: Is   anything on that list any different than how God has forgiven me?&amp;nbsp; He   has not let my sins stand between He and i.&amp;nbsp; He has not gone around   advertising my sins to others.&amp;nbsp; He doesn't dwell on my sins or bring   them up later to use them against me.&amp;nbsp; With Him, He forgives me &lt;i&gt;totally&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp;   That is the example He has set for me.&amp;nbsp; Am i somehow better or more   important than God that i think i should be more restrictive or sparing   in my forgiveness than He has been with me?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;Paul says "forgive each other &lt;i&gt;just as God in Christ forgave you&lt;/i&gt;." (Eph 4:31)&amp;nbsp; If God has gone that far and given that much of Himself to forgive me, then i need to forgive others just as utterly and totally.&amp;nbsp; i must commit to those items on the list.&amp;nbsp; And every day from here on out, i will have to put those things into practice.&amp;nbsp; It's not a one time event that cures all.&amp;nbsp; It's something i'll have to do every day.&amp;nbsp; And the process over time grows easier as my heart heals.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4685776054789826679?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4685776054789826679/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4685776054789826679' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4685776054789826679'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4685776054789826679'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/forgiveness-3.html' title='Forgiveness 3'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVO_uVmCXI/AAAAAAAAAG0/Ck-u4CBxy0M/s72-c/forgiveness.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-1552030892093607224</id><published>2010-08-05T06:00:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-05T06:00:02.475-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The Way a Christian Should Argue</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;With regard to the opponent, don’t fight [argue] with anybody you don’t  pray for, and this will affect the way you write, and what you are  willing to say. Your opponent is either a brother or he isn’t. If he is,  then remember that the Lord loves him, and bears with him. If he is  not, remember that apart from the grace of God, we would be right there  with him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Douglas Wilson &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-1552030892093607224?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/1552030892093607224/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=1552030892093607224' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1552030892093607224'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1552030892093607224'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/way-christian-should-argue.html' title='The Way a Christian Should Argue'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8921404914397003660</id><published>2010-08-04T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-04T06:00:10.915-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='resentment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bitterness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgiveness 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVOK2oDCxI/AAAAAAAAAGk/J9_98tdxIaU/s1600/forgiveness+5.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVOK2oDCxI/AAAAAAAAAGk/J9_98tdxIaU/s320/forgiveness+5.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;Unforgiveness can manifest itself in   all kinds of ways.&amp;nbsp; Maybe i give that person the cold shoulder.&amp;nbsp; Maybe i   talk bad about them to others.&amp;nbsp; Maybe now i scrutinize and criticize   everything they say and do and advertize those faults to others.&amp;nbsp; Maybe   i'm rude and short and terse with them.&amp;nbsp; Maybe i'm just outright,   bold-faced mean or hateful toward them.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;Whatever the outlet may be,   all this unresolved anger toward someone does nothing but show how   sinful &lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;I&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt; am.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(1) It's not my place to deal out  justice or retaliation.&amp;nbsp; In fact, God  explicity condemns me ever taking  revenge into my own hands (Rom  12:17-21).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(2) Me bearing a grudge  and being bitter is really like me drinking  poison in hopes that someone  else will die.&amp;nbsp; i've really only harmed  myself.&amp;nbsp; i've turned red in the face, had payback fantasies, had my blood boil while they were around or being spoken of.&amp;nbsp; All this energy hoping they get their just deserts.&amp;nbsp; Yet how much sleep is he/she losing over it?&amp;nbsp; My grudge-bearing hurts &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt;, not him/her.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(3)&amp;nbsp;I should be  mature enough to let things go.&amp;nbsp; Is it really &lt;i&gt;that &lt;/i&gt;big  a deal  what that person said or did?&amp;nbsp; On my deathbed, will I really  still care  what that person said or did?&amp;nbsp; Does what that person said or  did really  matter in the grand scheme of things?&amp;nbsp; Is whatever that person did to me really worth all this time and energy i'm spending bearing a grudge rather than enjoying continuing a relationship with that person?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(4) Even if I do think it's a  big deal, i need to be honest about my  own need for forgiveness.&amp;nbsp; Am i  really arrogant enough to think i'm any  better in God's eyes than that  person?&amp;nbsp; Am i really conceited enough  to think that i'm any less guilty  and sinful in the eyes of God than  that person is?&amp;nbsp; Am i really proud  enough to think that i need God's  mercy and forgiveness any less than  that person?&amp;nbsp; Am i really so  selfish to think that how that person hurt  me matters more than how  i've hurt God?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;(5) Do i really want so much of my life and my time defined by what the person did to me?&amp;nbsp; Do i really want to be owned and controlled by the hurt they caused me?&amp;nbsp; Is that really how i want to spend my time and energy?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;Bitterness, resent, unforgiveness, grudge-bearing--none of these are in anyone's best interests nor do they benefit the people who harbor them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8921404914397003660?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8921404914397003660/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8921404914397003660' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8921404914397003660'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8921404914397003660'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/forgiveness-2.html' title='Forgiveness 2'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVOK2oDCxI/AAAAAAAAAGk/J9_98tdxIaU/s72-c/forgiveness+5.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5760490228851820442</id><published>2010-08-03T06:00:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-03T06:00:00.117-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Salvation from Hell or Salvation from Sin?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;The nature of Christ’s salvation is woefully misrepresented by the  present-day “evangelist.” He announces a Saviour from hell rather than a  Saviour from sin. And that is why so many are fatally deceived, for  there are multitudes who wish to escape the Lake of fire who have no  desire to be delivered from their carnality and worldliness&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;--A. W. Pink &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5760490228851820442?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5760490228851820442/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5760490228851820442' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5760490228851820442'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5760490228851820442'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/salvation-from-hell-or-salvation-from.html' title='Salvation from Hell or Salvation from Sin?'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8173499523144808260</id><published>2010-08-02T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-02T06:00:09.986-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgiveness</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVLx9GJyJI/AAAAAAAAAGU/2ScWdyZ7oN4/s1600/Forgiveness+2.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVLx9GJyJI/AAAAAAAAAGU/2ScWdyZ7oN4/s320/Forgiveness+2.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;Christians are  commanded to be forgiving people.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;i think we often pay lip service to the idea of being forgiving, but  spend plenty of time justifying our own personal bitterness and  grudge-bearing.&amp;nbsp; "Well, yeah, that's true, but in this case God will understand  my bitterness because this person just plain doesn't deserve my  forgiveness."&amp;nbsp; The trouble is God never said He would just understand it  if i don't do what He asks me, and He never said that anyone had to  deserve my forgiveness to get it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;God flatly commands me to be forgiving  (Eph 4:31-32; Col 3:13; Heb 12:14).&amp;nbsp; And He plainly says that bitterness  and resentment and grudge-bearing is wrong (2Tim 2:24; 1Cor 13:5; Col  3:19).&amp;nbsp; i'm either going to obey God or i'm not.&amp;nbsp; Trying to find various  ways to justify or explain away my bitterness and unforgiveness is  really just choosing to disobey God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;That means i need to just 'fess up to my  unforgiveness and get rid of it.&amp;nbsp; i need to just get real about the fact  that i am bitter or resentful or holding a grudge, and i have to admit  that this says more about &lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;my&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt; heart and character than it  does about the person i'm still angry with.&amp;nbsp; My unforgiveness&amp;nbsp;displays &lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;my&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;  un-Christ-like heart, not the person i'm holding a grudge against.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8173499523144808260?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8173499523144808260/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8173499523144808260' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8173499523144808260'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8173499523144808260'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/08/forgiveness.html' title='Forgiveness'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDVLx9GJyJI/AAAAAAAAAGU/2ScWdyZ7oN4/s72-c/Forgiveness+2.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2481868647985115855</id><published>2010-07-30T06:00:00.006-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-02T11:39:07.692-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Criticism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Criticism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDTEgpR3ZuI/AAAAAAAAAGE/TM_GDS9NuM0/s1600/criticism.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDTEgpR3ZuI/AAAAAAAAAGE/TM_GDS9NuM0/s320/criticism.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;i heard on the  radio some great points that made me think:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Criticism often comes when  it's least needed.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;2.&amp;nbsp;  Criticism often comes from&amp;nbsp;someone least qualified to give it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp;  Criticism often comes in the least helpful way possible.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;By  this point i was thinking, "boy is that right, some people should just  really learn to shut up."&amp;nbsp; And that's right when the speaker said, "so  think about that the next time &lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/u&gt;open &lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/u&gt;mouth to criticize  someone!"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2481868647985115855?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2481868647985115855/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2481868647985115855' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2481868647985115855'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2481868647985115855'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/criticism.html' title='Criticism'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail 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medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;I am a little pencil in the hand of a writing  God who is sending a love letter to the world.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;--Mother Teresa &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8557232945165211655?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8557232945165211655/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8557232945165211655' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8557232945165211655'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' 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scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='poverty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Materialism'/><title type='text'>Wealth, Poverty, and American Christianity</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDY9sVKHLwI/AAAAAAAAAHk/bNXPoPPmBEY/s1600/materialism+and+church.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="403" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDY9sVKHLwI/AAAAAAAAAHk/bNXPoPPmBEY/s640/materialism+and+church.jpg" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-1916524515683508993?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' 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src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDY9sVKHLwI/AAAAAAAAAHk/bNXPoPPmBEY/s72-c/materialism+and+church.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-828714180938384286</id><published>2010-07-27T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-27T06:00:00.418-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The Kind of Leaders The Church Needs</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogContent" id="pBlogBody_357012954"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;A provocative quote from A. W. Tozer:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;If  Christianity is to receive a rejuvenation it must be by other means than  any now being used. If the church in the second half of [the twentieth]  century is to recover from the injuries she suffered in the first half,  there must appear a new type of preacher. The proper,  ruler-of-the-synagogue type will never do. Neither will the priestly  type of man who carries out his duties, takes his pay and asks no  questions, nor the smooth-talking pastoral type who knows how to make  the Christian religion acceptable to everyone. All these have been tried  and found wanting. Another kind of religious leader must arise among  us. He must be of the old prophet type, a man who has seen visions of  God and has heard a voice from the Throne. When he comes (and I pray God  there will not be one but many) he will stand in flat contradiction to  everything our smirking, smooth civilization holds dear. He will  contradict, denounce and protest in the name of God and will earn the  hatred and opposition of a large segment of Christendom.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-828714180938384286?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/828714180938384286/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=828714180938384286' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/828714180938384286'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/828714180938384286'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/kind-of-leaders-church-needs.html' title='The Kind of Leaders The Church Needs'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7666272871167596042</id><published>2010-07-26T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-26T06:00:02.216-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church of Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church of Christ CoC'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Instrumental Music'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>An Argumentative Appeal to a Conservative CoCer (Part 3)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TD8m2NxRFtI/AAAAAAAAAHs/Wkd7iZsvbUk/s1600/Guns+God+Religion.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TD8m2NxRFtI/AAAAAAAAAHs/Wkd7iZsvbUk/s320/Guns+God+Religion.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i've been trying to make the case that if a conservative CoCer were consistent with the principles on which he rejects the use of instrumental music in worship, those same principles ought also to force him to embrace pacifism.&amp;nbsp; Why make the case?&amp;nbsp; Well, i find that conservative CoCers are largely non- and even anti- pacifistic.&amp;nbsp; Conservative CoC's fitting generally into the vein of conservative evangelical churches harbor a lot of patriotism, America-is-a-Christian-nation-ism, and political conservatism.&amp;nbsp; Further, a lot of conservative CoC's are havens for generally conservative culture.&amp;nbsp; CoC's are plentiful in the South, conservative ones especially, where a certain conservative culture thrives (a "God, guns, and guts" sort of tradition).&amp;nbsp; [This trend is quite surprising when considering that 100+ years ago, a great many CoCers were members of the &lt;i&gt;Socialist Party.&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/history-of-pacifism-in-church-of-christ.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.]&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i do consider myself a pacifist, but definitely not on the grounds conservative CoCers use to reject the use of instrumental music in worship.&amp;nbsp; My only point in this triad of posts is to engage a conservative CoCer, identify that these two positions (rejection of IM and non-pacifism) are inconsistent, and point out, that if &lt;i&gt;anyone's &lt;/i&gt;ideology leads to pacifism, it's the conservative CoCer's.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Now, so far i've defended the claim that if a conservative CoCer doesn't think the New Testament authorizes instrumental music in worship, then by the same criteria, neither is there any authority given in the New Testament for the use of violence.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;But i'm not pretending as though this is claim is unanswerable.&amp;nbsp; i think some conservative CoCers might respond by going to Romans 13.&amp;nbsp; So suppose a conservative CoCer objected to my claim this way: "Romans 13 gives me authority for violence because Paul says i have to submit to my governing authorities, and sometimes they command people to act violently--in war or as a police officer, etc."&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;But suppose the government commanded churches to use instrumental music in worship?&amp;nbsp; Would that, thus, make it okay?&amp;nbsp; Would that constitute proper, divine authorization for the use of instrumental music in worship?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;You might think that's a crazy idea.&amp;nbsp; "The government would never command such a thing."&amp;nbsp; Maybe not here and now.&amp;nbsp; But plenty of countries have or have had state-churches where how church was conducted was a matter of state-decree.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Suppose you knew someone in another country where all but the state-church was illegal, and the state ordered the state-church to use instrumental music in their worship.&amp;nbsp; Suppose that person wrote to a conservative CoCer for help about what to do.&amp;nbsp; How is the CoCer likely to respond?&amp;nbsp; "Since Romans 13 says submit to governing authorities, that means it's now okay for you to use instrumental music in worship"?&amp;nbsp; i highly doubt it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;If a conservative CoCer wouldn't accept that Romans 13 could potentially authorize the use of instrumental music in worship, then why think it authorizes the use of violence?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Thus, i maintain my claim, that if someone thinks he ought to reject the use of instrumental music in worship because there's no New Testament authority for it, then he ought also to reject all use of violence on the same basis.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7666272871167596042?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7666272871167596042/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7666272871167596042' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7666272871167596042'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7666272871167596042'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/argumentative-appeal-to-conservative.html' title='An Argumentative Appeal to a Conservative CoCer (Part 3)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TD8m2NxRFtI/AAAAAAAAAHs/Wkd7iZsvbUk/s72-c/Guns+God+Religion.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7327026156599929645</id><published>2010-07-23T06:00:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-23T06:00:10.562-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love for enemies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Love For Enemies &amp; Marilyn Manson</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDYaQYipENI/AAAAAAAAAHc/6vS_dQ04WmM/s1600/marilyn+manson.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDYaQYipENI/AAAAAAAAAHc/6vS_dQ04WmM/s320/marilyn+manson.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;When you’re taught to love everyone,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;to love your enemies,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;then what  value does that place on love?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i stumbled on this, a quote credited to Marilyn Manson.&amp;nbsp; i think the question is intended to make an argument equivalent to something like this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;1. If a teaching places a low value on love, then it shouldn't be followed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;2. The teaching that you ought to love everyone, even your enemies, places a low value on love.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;3. Therefore, the teaching that you ought to love everyone, even your enemies, shouldn't be followed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;The argument is clearly valid, that is, &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; the premises are true, then the conclusion does follow.&amp;nbsp; But &lt;i&gt;are &lt;/i&gt;the premises true?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i think you either find premise 1 intuitively convincing or not.&amp;nbsp; The critical, sensational claim being made by this argument is premise 2.&amp;nbsp; It implicates the teachings of Christ (or any other source for the ethic) to love your neighbor and your enemies as failing to value love appropriately.&amp;nbsp; i believe there are several reasons to doubt premise 2 if not dismiss it as simply false.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;First, the argument suggests that value is determined by scope of distribution or perhaps rarity.&amp;nbsp; The narrower the scope of distribution, or the rarer something is, the greater the value.&amp;nbsp; And value is lessened as something becomes more common or more widely distributed. This is true of, say, the value of diamonds and currency.&amp;nbsp; But it is not the case that all value operates this way.&amp;nbsp; Some value is not determined by rarity.&amp;nbsp; For instance, some things are valuable because of utility or necessity.&amp;nbsp; Oxygen is common and widely distributed throughout the earth.&amp;nbsp; Does that imply we should judge oxygen to be poor in value?&amp;nbsp; No.&amp;nbsp; It is valuable because it is necessary to our survival.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Second, i think it's rather intuitive if not reasonable that the value of love is not determined in the way the argument assumes.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Suppose there were two women.&amp;nbsp; The first woman has one daughter and loves her.&amp;nbsp; The second woman has ten children and loves all ten of them.&amp;nbsp; The love of the first woman is narrower in distribution and more rarely possessed by any child in the world compared to the love of the second woman.&amp;nbsp; The love of the second woman is more common and more widely distributed compared to the love of the first woman.&amp;nbsp; Should we conclude then that the second woman places a lower value on love than the first?&amp;nbsp; Surely not.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Or suppose there were two men.&amp;nbsp; The first man has 100 friends/family and loves them all, and he has 100 enemies and deliberately withholds love from his enemies.&amp;nbsp; The second man has 100 friends/family whom he loves, but he has never made any enemies, so there is no one from whom he has consciously decided to withhold love.&amp;nbsp; Should we conclude that the second man places a lower value on love than the first?&amp;nbsp; Surely not.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Third, Christianity acknowledges differing &lt;i&gt;kinds&lt;/i&gt; of love.&amp;nbsp; While we use only the word "love," Greek, in which the teachings of Christ were originally written, had different words referring to different kinds of love.&amp;nbsp; Christ does not teach that &lt;i&gt;all &lt;/i&gt;kinds of love are to distributed equally among everyone, including enemies.&amp;nbsp; There is a particular kind of love, &lt;i&gt;agape,&lt;/i&gt; which Christ commanded to give to neighbor and enemy alike.&amp;nbsp; Thus, i can still love certain people differently than others all the while being consistent with the Christian ethic to love both my neighbor and enemy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Fourth, Christianity teaches that God created humanity and desires for humans to love one another.&amp;nbsp; Suppose a person has children, loves them, and desires for them to love each other.&amp;nbsp; If you don't believe that loving your own children and wanting them to love each other devalues love, then analogously, neither does the Christian teaching that i ought to love everyone, even my enemies.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Thus, it is not the case that loving everyone, including your enemies, devalues love.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7327026156599929645?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7327026156599929645/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7327026156599929645' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7327026156599929645'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7327026156599929645'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/love-for-enemies-marilyn-manson.html' title='Love For Enemies &amp; Marilyn Manson'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDYaQYipENI/AAAAAAAAAHc/6vS_dQ04WmM/s72-c/marilyn+manson.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-6513451710970016974</id><published>2010-07-22T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-22T06:00:09.928-05:00</updated><title type='text'>God's love and My Weakness</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Give yourself fully to God.  He will  use you to accomplish great things on the condition that you  believe  much more in His love than in your own weakness.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;--Mother Teresa &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-6513451710970016974?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/6513451710970016974/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=6513451710970016974' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' 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scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='contentment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='selfishness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Suffering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='attitude'/><title type='text'>Spoiled-Brat-ism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDS4TnBxK8I/AAAAAAAAAF0/pqCHsazRKHc/s1600/pouting.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDS4TnBxK8I/AAAAAAAAAF0/pqCHsazRKHc/s320/pouting.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;Joseph had to  suffer through family rejection, false accusation, and imprisonment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: medium;"&gt;David, was a man after God's own heart, yet  had&amp;nbsp;to suffer the the murderous threats, jealously and hatred of Saul.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: medium;"&gt;John the Baptist was better than anyone else  born of&amp;nbsp;a woman Jesus said, yet he had to suffer unjust imprisonment and  was beheaded.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: medium;"&gt;Jesus was perfect, blameless, and sinless.&amp;nbsp; Yet  He had to suffer abandonment, ridicule, hatred, abuse, insult,  disrespect, heartbreak, sadness, distress, and even torture.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: medium;"&gt;Tell me, where did i get the idea that i  shouldn't have to wait in line?&amp;nbsp; What makes me think i shouldn't have to  lose sleep?&amp;nbsp; Where did i get the idea that my car should always work  perfectly?&amp;nbsp; Who ever said&amp;nbsp;i ought to have as much free time as i  please?&amp;nbsp; Where did i get the idea that i shouldn't ever have to eat  anything i don't like or do anything i don't like?&amp;nbsp; Where&amp;nbsp;do i get off  thinking i shouldn't ever have to be&amp;nbsp;uncomfortable--i shouldn't ever  have to&amp;nbsp;be hot or cold or annoyed or interrupted or ill or over-worked  or wait to get what i want?&amp;nbsp; Where did i get the idea that i should  always get to go anywhere and do anything i please and get things my  way?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: medium;"&gt;When others mistreat me and do evil, it does  prove they're wrong and shouldn't do the things they do--that's true. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: medium;"&gt;But when i think and act like i'm &lt;u&gt;entitled&lt;/u&gt;  to something better than this sinful, fallen world, that proves nothing  more than that i'm a selfish, spoiled brat.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-327237393668907465?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/327237393668907465/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=327237393668907465' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/327237393668907465'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/327237393668907465'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/spoiled-brat-ism.html' title='Spoiled-Brat-ism'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDS4TnBxK8I/AAAAAAAAAF0/pqCHsazRKHc/s72-c/pouting.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5877884051086542930</id><published>2010-07-20T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-20T06:00:02.100-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Sin vs. Suffering</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;One ounce of sin can harm us more than ten tons of suffering&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;i style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;--Tim Keller &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5877884051086542930?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5877884051086542930/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5877884051086542930' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5877884051086542930'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5877884051086542930'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/sin-vs-suffering.html' title='Sin vs. Suffering'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-6188035196187475480</id><published>2010-07-19T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-19T06:00:10.505-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='early christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Suffering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgotten Christian Values: Suffering (Part 4)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDSc9YFIRiI/AAAAAAAAAFs/YCBn-EZzUBI/s1600/Congregation+Praying.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDSc9YFIRiI/AAAAAAAAAFs/YCBn-EZzUBI/s320/Congregation+Praying.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;i think another area that reveals our differing attitude about suffering from the early church is the way we pray.&amp;nbsp; The things we pray for and the amount of time we spend praying for certain things can reveal what is important to us.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;i find that public prayers contain a lot of supplication for safety and circumstance.&amp;nbsp; 'Help keep us safe.'&amp;nbsp; 'Please remove such and such a hardship from us.'&amp;nbsp; 'Please make things comfortable.' i'm not suggesting that it's always wrong to ask God to alter circumstances to our benefit.&amp;nbsp; But what kind of benefits do we spend our time praying for?&amp;nbsp; And how does that amount of time compare with how much we pray for spiritual benefits?&amp;nbsp; For all the time we ask God to end our suffering, how often do we ask for resilience, courage, and character growth from our suffering? &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;We also spend a lot of time thanking God for the religious freedom we experience in America.&amp;nbsp; i don't think i should stop being thankful for that.&amp;nbsp; But i've started to wonder, would we be Christians if that political freedom were taken away?&amp;nbsp; Are there people praying those prayers and sitting in the pews listening who are only "Christians" because it's easy?&amp;nbsp; And what are we using that religious freedom for?&amp;nbsp; To be even more radical and daring at spreading Christ's kingdom than we would be if our country didn't give us that freedom?&amp;nbsp; How does this compare to the amount of time we spend asking God to help us be unwavering in our faith regardless of our political circumstance?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Another part of prayer that reveals our views about suffering is a lack of what i call "dangerous prayer."&amp;nbsp; i remember having a conversation with my brother one day about how both of us were afraid to pray certain prayers because we were scared of how God may choose to answer them.&amp;nbsp; i'm talking about prayers like this: "God, please do &lt;i&gt;whatever You have to do&lt;/i&gt; to make me who You want me to be."&amp;nbsp; "Please make me a better disciple of Christ &lt;i&gt;no matter what the cost.&lt;/i&gt;"&amp;nbsp; These prayers are scary to pray because there are costs and things God could do that i honestly don't want to experience--things i don't want to suffer, not even if it gets me the spiritual benefits i'm asking for.&amp;nbsp; What does that reveal about my values?&amp;nbsp; Surely it reveals that i value my own comfort more than nearness to God and likeness to Christ.&amp;nbsp; Does that sound like the same priorities as Jesus, the apostles, or the early church?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;When we're suffering, we typically get  on our knees and beg God to make it stop. In Acts 4, when the apostles  were publicly flogged for preaching the gospel, they went to church,  got on their knees together, and prayed that God would make them &lt;i&gt;even  bolder and more courageous&lt;/i&gt; in their preaching. Why would they do that?&amp;nbsp; Wouldn't more boldness get them arrested again?&amp;nbsp; Wouldn't being more courageous in their preaching likely &lt;i&gt;increase&lt;/i&gt; their suffering at the hands of the authorities?&amp;nbsp; Obviously, they didn't value their personal comfort over and above the spread of Christ's kingdom and their opportunity to be agents in that process.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;" /&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;So what if we tried  something different? What if instead of only praying for our sick to be  healed, we prayed that God would help them be radiant exemplars of  Christian hope and victory over death and dying?&amp;nbsp; --that not amount of sickness or disease would stop them from being awe-inspiring servants in Christ's kingdom?&amp;nbsp; What if instead praying for the  safety and success of the American military, we prayed God would raise up missionaries to go  into the most dangerous parts of the earth? What if instead of praying  for God to end a particular struggle or suffering or persecution, we  asked Him to help us to relate more to Christ and His sufferings (and  maybe even asked Him not to turn down the heat until we do)? What if  instead of asking God to make things easier for us to move around in the  world, we asked Him to give us such courage that no obstacle, no matter  how daunting, would stop us from going where He sends?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Our attitudes about  suffering differ from Jesus, the apostles, and early Christians in a way  that is not trivial.&amp;nbsp; Our thinking and behavior on this matter, however  subconscious it may be sometimes, reveals sinful attitudes and sinful  fears that we ought to repent of if we aim to follow Christ and restore  first century Christianity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-6188035196187475480?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/6188035196187475480/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=6188035196187475480' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6188035196187475480'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6188035196187475480'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/forgotten-christian-values-suffering_19.html' title='Forgotten Christian Values: Suffering (Part 4)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDSc9YFIRiI/AAAAAAAAAFs/YCBn-EZzUBI/s72-c/Congregation+Praying.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5298997260373295800</id><published>2010-07-16T06:00:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-16T06:00:11.713-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='persecution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prejudice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Suffering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgotten Christian Values: Suffering (Part 3)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDPxGU6jFfI/AAAAAAAAAFk/H92viYdIFVM/s1600/good+samaritan.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDPxGU6jFfI/AAAAAAAAAFk/H92viYdIFVM/s320/good+samaritan.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In the last two posts, from the New Testament and from other early Christian writings, it's clear that they valued suffering for the cause of Christ.&amp;nbsp; The early Christians saw suffering as a blessing, as something to be desired, as something even to be pursued.&amp;nbsp; Sharing in Christ's sufferings was part of Paul's explicit life goal.&amp;nbsp; The early martyrs even saw their gruesome martyrdoms as demonstrations of Christ's victory over evil in the world--they would not give in or give up by acknowledging Caesar as Lord nor would they renounce their identity as Christians even on pain of torture and death.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Do we have that same view of suffering?&amp;nbsp; Does the twenty first century church view suffering as valuable? &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i'm going to go out on a limb and answer with a resounding, &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;NO&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;i'm sure there are examples of modern missionaries even in the CoC who are doing dangerous work in dangerous places for the cause of Christ.&amp;nbsp; But here i mean to ask this question while looking at the average major city in America having at least a handful of CoCs.&amp;nbsp; Thus i consider such missionaries to represent a minority.&amp;nbsp; What about the belief and behavior of the majority?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;i believe there are a variety of ways in which we clearly value the avoidance of suffering over and above doing work for the Kingdom of Christ. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;First, many Christians won't go on missionary trips where the destination could be dangerous.&amp;nbsp; Or if an otherwise safe destination becomes dangerous due to circumstance, people cancel mission trips instead of going.&amp;nbsp; How many stops along his missionary journeys did Paul cancel on account of "it might not be safe there"?&amp;nbsp; i can think of two occasions where God providentially intervened to prevent Paul from missioning in a particular place (Acts 16:6, 7).&amp;nbsp; But this was God's intervening, not Paul's assessing his personal comfort levels about the safety of a given place.&amp;nbsp; That's a significant difference.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Second, many Christians still stay out of what they consider to be "bad neighborhoods" or "bad" parts of town.&amp;nbsp; What makes those parts of town bad?&amp;nbsp; Let's be honest.&amp;nbsp; Quite typically when someone says "That's a bad part of town," to what characteristics are they typically referring?&amp;nbsp; High poverty levels. Low property values.&amp;nbsp; Large minority populous.&amp;nbsp; And perhaps, high crime rates.&amp;nbsp; (But i put that at the end on purpose, because that's the order in which i typically find it to be true when i hear that statement made about a neighborhood.)&amp;nbsp; So in some cases, "That's a bad part of town," is just a socially acceptable way of expressing prejudice and prejudicial fear.&amp;nbsp; But suppose that everyone honestly referred to crime rate statistics.&amp;nbsp; Are you more likely to witness a crime or be the victim of a crime in that part of town?&amp;nbsp; Maybe you are.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Third, many Christians still stay away from "shady looking characters."&amp;nbsp; If a person looks unkept or uncleanly or poor or, sadly, belongs to an ethnic minority, many Christians go to great lengths to avoid them.&amp;nbsp; Drive the other way.&amp;nbsp; Look the other way.&amp;nbsp; Pretend you don't hear them.&amp;nbsp; Pretend you don't see them.&amp;nbsp; Choose a different driving route altogether. Avoid certain stores and parking lots.&amp;nbsp; Etc.&amp;nbsp; i once heard someone say in no uncertain terms that she felt she was in no way obligated to help a man who needed it because of the possibility he might harm her.&amp;nbsp; Is it true that someone you try to help might harm you?&amp;nbsp; Sure.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;But so what?&amp;nbsp; Does that mean God doesn't care if you ever help those people, minister to them, or bring the gospel to them?&amp;nbsp; Would Jesus avoid that neighborhood?&amp;nbsp; What neighborhood would Jesus call a "bad part of town"? How many people did Jesus refuse to help because of the possibility they might harm Him?&amp;nbsp; How many "shady looking characters" did Jesus go out of His way to avoid?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In the gospels, Jesus appears to spend a great deal of His time with those deemed "tax collectors and sinners" by the religious people of His days.&amp;nbsp; Could these "tax collectors and sinners" be the social equivalent of all those "shady looking characters" who we think live in "the bad part of town"?&amp;nbsp; Think about it, how many times did Jesus hole-up in an upper middle class gated community hoping to keep out and avoid society's lower rungs?&amp;nbsp; Perhaps, then, following Jesus, imitating His life, requires us to get way, way out of our comfort zone.&amp;nbsp; Perhaps, then, the possibility and even the actuality of being harmed by a shady character in a bad part of town while you're trying to do the work of Christ is simply a part of discipleship--a part of suffering for the cause of Christ.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;There's yet still another area i think reveals the difference between our attitudes toward suffering and that of the first century Christians.&amp;nbsp; i'll save that for the next post.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5298997260373295800?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5298997260373295800/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5298997260373295800' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5298997260373295800'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5298997260373295800'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/forgotten-christian-values-suffering_16.html' title='Forgotten Christian Values: Suffering (Part 3)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDPxGU6jFfI/AAAAAAAAAFk/H92viYdIFVM/s72-c/good+samaritan.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-6840816701441471505</id><published>2010-07-15T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-15T06:00:05.787-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacrifice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='abortion'/><title type='text'>Love and Sacrifice</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;God  has created a world big enough for all the lives He wishes to be born.  It is only our hearts that are not big enough to want them and accept  them. If all the money that is being spent on finding ways to kill  people was used instead to feed them and house them and educate them -  how beautiful that would be. We are too often afraid of the sacrifices  we might have to make. But where there is love, there is always  sacrifice. And when we love until it hurts, there is joy and peace.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;--Mother Teresa &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-6840816701441471505?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/6840816701441471505/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=6840816701441471505' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6840816701441471505'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6840816701441471505'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/love-and-sacrifice.html' title='Love and Sacrifice'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-357899992300289824</id><published>2010-07-14T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-14T06:00:03.487-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church of Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church of Christ CoC'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Instrumental Music'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism 9: Another Argumentative Appeal to a Conservative CoCer</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDOinUSBqYI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/K2EScyVmvw0/s1600/Armor+of+God.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDOinUSBqYI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/K2EScyVmvw0/s320/Armor+of+God.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;There is another argument used among conservative Churches of Christ (CoCs) for their rejection of the use of instrumental music (IM) in worship.&amp;nbsp; Note these verses:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;"Speak to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord." (Eph 5:19)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;"Let the word of Christ dwell in your richly&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;and as you sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;with gratitude in your hearts to God." (Col 3:16)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i've heard the argument made more than once that when Paul mentions "sing" in these verses, he necessarily rules out the use of any other kind of music.&amp;nbsp; i happen to think the argument is just plain bad.&amp;nbsp; But whether it's a good argument or not is not the point of this post.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;The point of this post is to make a similar argument which, i take it, most conservative CoCer's would not accept, and then ask why the two are significantly different.&amp;nbsp; In other words, it appears to me that if you accept one, you ought to accept the other also. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;So, then, note these verses:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;Finally, be strong in  the Lord and in his mighty power.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Put on the full armor of God&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;so that you can  take your stand against the devil's schemes.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;For our struggle is not against flesh and  blood,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;but against the rulers, against the authorities,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;against the  powers of this dark world&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;and against the spiritual forces of evil in  the heavenly realms.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Therefore  put on the full armor of God,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;so that when the day of evil comes,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;you  may be able to stand your ground,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;and after you have done everything, to  stand.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Stand firm then,  with the belt of truth buckled around your waist,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;with the breastplate  of righteousness in place,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;and  with your feet fitted with&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;the readiness that comes from the gospel of  peace.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;In addition to  all this,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;take up the shield of faith,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;with which you can extinguish&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;all  the flaming arrows of the evil one.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Take the helmet of salvation&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;and the sword of  the Spirit,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;which is the word of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;(Eph 6:13-17)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So then, if the earlier argument about IM holds true, then since Paul mentions only arming ourselves with spiritual weapons, he necessarily rules out arming ourselves with any other kind of weapons.&amp;nbsp; If you believe that the first one about IM works, then why not this one?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It seems to me by some of their rules that if anyone should be religious pacifists, conservative CoCs should be.&amp;nbsp; But they are largely not pacifistic.&amp;nbsp; Yet, as i say, it seems to me a consistent use of their own argumentation would lead to that particular stance. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-357899992300289824?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/357899992300289824/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=357899992300289824' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/357899992300289824'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/357899992300289824'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/pacifism-9-another-argumentative-appeal.html' title='Pacifism 9: Another Argumentative Appeal to a Conservative CoCer'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDOinUSBqYI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/K2EScyVmvw0/s72-c/Armor+of+God.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7949551946118983139</id><published>2010-07-13T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-13T06:00:12.143-05:00</updated><title type='text'>With God All Things Are Possible</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDTBe-PivvI/AAAAAAAAAF8/cgZYmZdcNUE/s1600/Bee_Movie_Promotion.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDTBe-PivvI/AAAAAAAAAF8/cgZYmZdcNUE/s320/Bee_Movie_Promotion.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;According to all  known laws of aviation there is no way a bee should be able to fly.&amp;nbsp;  Bees, of course, fly anyway, because bees don't care what humans think  is impossible.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;--The Bee Movie&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;This quote from The Bee Movie makes me think about how God has worked in human history.&amp;nbsp; People always questioned and marveled and puzzled over how God was going to work things out.&amp;nbsp; God's suggestions always seemed impossible and crazy to them.&amp;nbsp; Yet God didn't care what humans thought was impossible or crazy.&amp;nbsp; He did it anyway, and it always worked.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;i think we often have this very same reaction to God and His ways even in the modern church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7949551946118983139?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7949551946118983139/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7949551946118983139' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7949551946118983139'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7949551946118983139'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/with-god-all-things-are-possible.html' title='With God All Things Are Possible'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TDTBe-PivvI/AAAAAAAAAF8/cgZYmZdcNUE/s72-c/Bee_Movie_Promotion.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2664547535701525196</id><published>2010-07-12T07:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-12T07:00:07.872-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='persecution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Suffering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgotten Christian Values: Suffering (Part 2)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCy_dQbLdXI/AAAAAAAAAFI/qh-Phklqeo4/s1600/Christian+Persecution+in+Coliseum.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCy_dQbLdXI/AAAAAAAAAFI/qh-Phklqeo4/s320/Christian+Persecution+in+Coliseum.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Before i spend time thinking about our modern attitude toward suffering, i just thought i'd really emphasize again what early Christians thought about suffering and even martyrdom.&amp;nbsp; There are several written accounts of martyrdom from the late first century to the third century.&amp;nbsp; This was a period of history when Christianity was a minority religion and heavily persecuted by the Roman Empire.&amp;nbsp; The Romans made sport of persecuting Christians.&amp;nbsp; Christians were frequently used as spectacles in public arenas for violent contests.&amp;nbsp; Gladiators and wild beasts were often used to serve Christians' death penalties.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Christians of the second and third centuries resoundingly thought of suffering and even martyrdom for the cause of Christ to be a blessing--something to be desired, some that brought them closer to Christ, and something that even demonstrated the victory given them by Christ.&amp;nbsp; Note a few examples.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;"[Germanicus] also fought with the wild beasts in an outstanding way, for when the proconsul wished to persuade him and asked him to consider his youthfulness, he forcibly dragged the wild beast toward himself, &lt;b&gt;desiring&lt;/b&gt; to be released as quickly as possible from their unrighteous and lawless life." (Martyrdom of Polycarp 3:1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;"Blessed Pothinus, who had been entrusted with the care of the Lyon diocese, was over ninety years of age and physically very weak.&amp;nbsp; He could scarcely breathe because of his chronic physical weakness, but was strengthened by spiritual enthusiasm because of his &lt;b&gt;pressing desire&lt;/b&gt; for martyrdom." (The Letter of the Churches of Vienne and Lyons)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;"What a thrill I shall have from the wild beasts that are ready for me!&amp;nbsp; I hope they will make short work of me.&amp;nbsp; I shall coax them on to eat me up at once and not to hold off, as sometimes happens, through fear.&amp;nbsp; And if they are reluctant, I shall force them to it.&amp;nbsp; Forgive me--I know what is good for me.&amp;nbsp; Now is the moment I am beginning to be a disciples.&amp;nbsp; May nothing seen or unseen begrudge me making my way to Jesus Christ.&amp;nbsp; Come fire, cross, battling with wild beasts, wrenching of bones, mangling of limbs, crushing of my whole body, cruel tortures of the devil--only let me get to Jesus Christ." (The Letter of Ignatius to the Romans 5:2-3)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2664547535701525196?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2664547535701525196/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2664547535701525196' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2664547535701525196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2664547535701525196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/forgotten-christian-values-suffering_12.html' title='Forgotten Christian Values: Suffering (Part 2)'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCy_dQbLdXI/AAAAAAAAAFI/qh-Phklqeo4/s72-c/Christian+Persecution+in+Coliseum.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2524022882336630411</id><published>2010-07-09T07:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-09T07:00:00.228-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church of Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>History of Pacifism in the Church of Christ: An Article</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3244/is_3_44/ai_n28951865/?tag=content;col1" style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Pacifism in the Churches of Christ: A History&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Author Michael Casey records that while the CoC was once happy to be thought of as "outsiders" for their devotion to the simple and plain teachings of Christ, by the latter half of the 20th century, that radical commitment to peace had been replaced with "the establishment rhetoric of Caesar."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;It's a worth-while article.&amp;nbsp; Have a look. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2524022882336630411?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2524022882336630411/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2524022882336630411' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2524022882336630411'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2524022882336630411'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/history-of-pacifism-in-church-of-christ.html' title='History of Pacifism in the Church of Christ: An Article'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-6952017065519423835</id><published>2010-07-08T06:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-08T06:00:00.329-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='history'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bibliology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='archaeology'/><title type='text'>Earliest Illustrated Bible Found In Ethiopia</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1292150/Worlds-illustrated-Christian-bible-discovered-Ethiopian-monastery.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-mailonline"&gt;Read About It Here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Date of composition is estimated to be at the end of the 400's A.D.&amp;nbsp; The article says it may even be the oldest "book" ever discovered, meaning pages bound to a spine and still currently attached that way when discovered.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-6952017065519423835?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/6952017065519423835/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=6952017065519423835' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6952017065519423835'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6952017065519423835'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/earliest-illustrated-bible-found-in.html' title='Earliest Illustrated Bible Found In Ethiopia'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7931941242717395938</id><published>2010-07-07T07:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-07T07:00:01.128-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='early christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Restoration Principle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Suffering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgotten Christian Values: Suffering</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCy9va5_P-I/AAAAAAAAAFA/2jarevLB01o/s1600/THE_MARTYRDOM_OF_STEPHEN.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCy9va5_P-I/AAAAAAAAAFA/2jarevLB01o/s320/THE_MARTYRDOM_OF_STEPHEN.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;i did think of one value that i didn't put on the original list. &amp;nbsp; The first century church clearly seems to have had a different attitude toward suffering than we do.&amp;nbsp; Christians in the early church seemed to value and pursue suffering for Christ's sake.&amp;nbsp; In fact, they deemed it as an &lt;i&gt;honor&lt;/i&gt; to undergo such an experience--an experience for which a person must be &lt;i&gt;worthy.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The apostles were interrogated, commanded to stop preaching Christ, and then flogged by the Sanhedrin.&amp;nbsp; And Luke records:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"Then they left the presence of the council &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer&lt;/b&gt; dishonor for the name"&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt; (Acts 5:41)&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Paul says, &lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"We &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;rejoice&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt; in our sufferings.." (Rom 5:3).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;After recounting a long list of his own hardships, Paul talks about his "weaknesses."&amp;nbsp; We typically refer to this verse as though it's talking about sinful-struggles.&amp;nbsp; But that's not how Paul caches out "weakness."&amp;nbsp; Instead, Paul sees "weakness" as the various abuses he's suffered while following Christ.&amp;nbsp; And what does he says about those weaknesses?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"for Christ's sake, I &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;delight&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt; in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties.&amp;nbsp; For when I am weak, then I am strong" (2Cor 12:10).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Paul tells the Philippians:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"For it has been &lt;b&gt;granted to you&lt;/b&gt; on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also &lt;b&gt;to suffer for him&lt;/b&gt;" (Phil 1:29).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Paul speaks of getting to suffer for Christ as a &lt;i&gt;privilege&lt;/i&gt; that hand been &lt;i&gt;granted&lt;/i&gt; to the Philippians.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Paul says of his own personal goals:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"I &lt;b&gt;want &lt;/b&gt;to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and &lt;b&gt;the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings&lt;/b&gt;, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, to attain the resurrection from the dead" (Phil 3:10-11 ).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Peter tells his readers who were undergoing persecution:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;Rejoice&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt; that your participate in the sufferings of Christ" (1Pet 4:13)&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then there's Jesus who always seems to say the exact opposite of common sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Blessed&lt;/b&gt; are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.&amp;nbsp; Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you&lt;/span&gt;" (Matt 5:11-12).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Blessed!&amp;nbsp; Not pitied, not stupid, not "Gee, man, that sucks," not "That's so wrong! I'll come down and zap the people who are hurting you," but &lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;blessed&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;That's how Jesus describes suffering and persecution.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;In what ways is the 21st century church different from the 1st century church on this point?&amp;nbsp; In what ways do our values about suffering obviously differ from the values of Jesus and the apostles?&amp;nbsp; Should we have such different values about suffering than they did? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7931941242717395938?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7931941242717395938/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7931941242717395938' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7931941242717395938'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7931941242717395938'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/forgotten-christian-values-suffering.html' title='Forgotten Christian Values: Suffering'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCy9va5_P-I/AAAAAAAAAFA/2jarevLB01o/s72-c/THE_MARTYRDOM_OF_STEPHEN.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-1485990120713287924</id><published>2010-07-05T07:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-05T07:00:01.176-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='greeting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='values'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>Forgotten Christian Values: Greeting</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpM4z8TABI/AAAAAAAAAE4/Z4rN1DL_ZMA/s1600/Greet+One+Another.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpM4z8TABI/AAAAAAAAAE4/Z4rN1DL_ZMA/s320/Greet+One+Another.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;The New Testament seems to have a lot to say about Christians taking the time to greet one another.&amp;nbsp; Jesus even talks about greeting everybody--people you don't even consider your neighbor or loved one.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;And if you &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;greet&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt; only your brothers, what are you doing more than  others? Do not even pagans do that?&lt;/span&gt;" (Matt 5:47)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"Greet one another with a holy kiss" (Rom 16:16; 1Cor 16:20; 2Cor 13:12; 1Thess 5:26)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;,Courier,monospace;"&gt;"Greet one another with a kiss of love" (1Pet 5:14) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Not only does the New Testament give instructions to greet people, but such a tremendous amount of text is devoted simply to people giving each other greetings.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Paul spends most of the chapter in Romans 16 just greeting individuals and relaying greetings from other individuals (Rom 16:3-16).&amp;nbsp; A portion of the end of 1Corinthians is the same way (1Cor 16:19-21).&amp;nbsp; The same is true of Philippians (Phil 4:21-22), and Colossians is particularly full of greetings (Col 4:7-18).&amp;nbsp; Luke reports that Paul stopped during a voyage just to greet a church on his way to another (Acts 18:22).&amp;nbsp; The same is also true of the writings of Peter (1Pet 5:13-14) and John (2John 13; 3John 14).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;So what about us?&amp;nbsp; What place does greeting have in the 21st century church?&amp;nbsp; Is every Christian taking the time to greet one another a clear feature of your congregation?&amp;nbsp; Do you or your congregation find it important to send greetings to other churches?&amp;nbsp; Do you send personal greetings to mission-field-congregations which your congregation supports?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;i attend a congregation of about 200 regular attendees.&amp;nbsp; If i'm honest, i only know the names of about 40 or 50 of those 200.&amp;nbsp; Of those 40 or 50, on any average Sunday, i probably only personally greet about 20 of those.&amp;nbsp; This has been my experience in just about every congregation i've been a part of.&amp;nbsp; i notice other people in the congregation know and greet a larger number than i do.&amp;nbsp; But i haven't ever met anyone who took the time to greet every single member of their congregation every assembly--not even to greet a majority.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Why the difference?&amp;nbsp; Are we just plain failing to obey New Testament commands?&amp;nbsp; Or is it not that big of a deal?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;The only reason i can think of that might explain why it was so important in the first century but not now is that the accessibility and diversity of correspondence at a distance is exponentially greater in our day than in theirs.&amp;nbsp; i don't need to tack my greeting to someone onto a missionary's letter.&amp;nbsp; i can simply write that individual an email.&amp;nbsp; It's at least possible that some of the people explicitly greeted in the New Testament didn't have the means to write letters to the individuals they were greeting.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;But even if that's true, it only explains why it happened so much.&amp;nbsp; It doesn't explain why greeting one another is commanded and is commanded so many times.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;We also balk about the "holy kiss" passages because we believe describe a custom unique to the culture at the time and which no longer exists.&amp;nbsp; Well, maybe that's right.&amp;nbsp; But that wouldn't explain away the "Greet one another" parts of the passages.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;And even at that, this certainly doesn't explain Jesus' teaching on the subject.&amp;nbsp; Jesus' words imply that our willingness to greet everyone differentiates us from those without a relationship with God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Are we missing out on something?&amp;nbsp; What would our congregations and Christian experience be like if each disciple took the time to personally greet every other disciple in his/her congregation?&amp;nbsp; Are we disobeying the teachings of Christ and the apostles by not doing so?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-1485990120713287924?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/1485990120713287924/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=1485990120713287924' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1485990120713287924'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1485990120713287924'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/forgotten-christian-values-greeting.html' title='Forgotten Christian Values: Greeting'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpM4z8TABI/AAAAAAAAAE4/Z4rN1DL_ZMA/s72-c/Greet+One+Another.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8478099180451438380</id><published>2010-07-02T07:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-02T07:00:06.532-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Forgotten Christian Values</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpEn5CgnEI/AAAAAAAAAEw/zXN3B8Nayxk/s1600/Old+Fashioned+Values.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpEn5CgnEI/AAAAAAAAAEw/zXN3B8Nayxk/s320/Old+Fashioned+Values.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;It seems to me that there are values held by the early church that are not valued in the same way in the modern church.&amp;nbsp; There are cases where it seems to me we simply ignore, explain away, or de-emphasize certain themes in Scripture which speak of trends and values held by the early Christians.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Why would we do this?&amp;nbsp; Maybe we find these values different from the values of the culture we live in and are comfortable with.&amp;nbsp; Maybe we find these values just plain uncomfortable or to challenging.&amp;nbsp; Maybe we believe that the scriptures/values in question were only meant to have particular relevance in the first century and not in our time.&amp;nbsp; Maybe there's nothing sinister at all involved, and those portions of scripture just honestly seem less significant to use than others&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i'm not claiming that we're wrong in every case.&amp;nbsp; But i think we're wrong in some cases.&amp;nbsp; And restoring these values ought to be part of the project of restoring New Testament Christianity.&amp;nbsp; The values i'm able to think of so far that fit into this category are:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Greeting one another&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Hospitality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Celibacy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Compassion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Community&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Impartiality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Have i left any out?&amp;nbsp; Are there other ethical values or practices you believe are present in the pages of New Testament Christianity that are not valued or practiced in 21st century Christianity?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8478099180451438380?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8478099180451438380/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8478099180451438380' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8478099180451438380'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8478099180451438380'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/07/forgotten-christian-values.html' title='Forgotten Christian Values'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpEn5CgnEI/AAAAAAAAAEw/zXN3B8Nayxk/s72-c/Old+Fashioned+Values.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-3992895149282633477</id><published>2010-06-29T13:55:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-06-29T17:49:04.559-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism 8: An Argumental Appeal to a Conservative CoCer</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpBA6pREdI/AAAAAAAAAEo/2U8LeQmGm84/s1600/consistent.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpBA6pREdI/AAAAAAAAAEo/2U8LeQmGm84/s320/consistent.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Most "conservative" Churches of Christ (CoC) reject the use of instrumental music (IM) on the basis that there is no biblical authority for such a practice, and we may only engage in practices for which we're given biblical authority.&amp;nbsp; Yet even many conservatives CoCer's would reject pacifism.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;i'm not claiming that i am a proponent of the no-authority-for-IM argument.&amp;nbsp; Whether or not that is a valid argument is not the point of this post.&amp;nbsp; Whether IM in worship is acceptable to God is not the point of this post.&amp;nbsp; The point of this post is that there are quite a great many in the CoC who reject the use of IM in worship as unacceptable to God, and who do so on the basis of this particular argument, yet who also reject pacifism.&amp;nbsp; In this post i want to offer the argument that if a CoCer rejects IM on the basis of the no-authority argument, then they ought to be pacifists for the same reason.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;The no-authority argument for rejecting the use of IM in worship usually points out that there are no commands, nor examples, nor necessary inferences in the New Testament for the use of IM in worship.&amp;nbsp; In other words, &lt;i&gt;if there were&lt;/i&gt; a command given to Christians to use IM, or an example of Christians acceptably using IM, or some statement made in the NT which could only imply that it is permissible for Christians to IM in worship, then we &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; have authority for IM in worship and &lt;i&gt;could &lt;/i&gt;use IM in worship acceptably.&amp;nbsp; But since there are no explicit commands, no recorded examples, and no statements which force such an inference, then it is not the case that Christians can use IM acceptably in worship to God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;To my knowledge, there are no commands or instructions given to Christians which say that it is permissible for a Christian ever to behave violently.&amp;nbsp; To my knowledge, there are no examples in the New Testament of Christians ever acceptably behaving violently. To my knowledge, there is no scripture from which we must necessarily infer that it is permissible for a Christian ever to behave violently.&amp;nbsp; If, for a conservative, meeting this criteria is all it takes to conclude that IM in worship is unacceptable, then why is it not the same with violence?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Where does the New Testament authorize the use of violence on the part of Christians for any purpose?&amp;nbsp; And if some passage of scripture is proposed, is the proposed authorization sufficient in such a way that would still leave IM in worship unauthorized?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-3992895149282633477?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/3992895149282633477/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=3992895149282633477' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/3992895149282633477'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/3992895149282633477'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/06/pacifism-8-argumental-appeal-to.html' title='Pacifism 8: An Argumental Appeal to a Conservative CoCer'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/TCpBA6pREdI/AAAAAAAAAEo/2U8LeQmGm84/s72-c/consistent.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8932637053915834732</id><published>2010-05-01T23:39:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-05-01T23:39:12.654-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Baby Boy Survives For Nearly Two Days After Abortion</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/7646540/Baby-boy-survives-for-nearly-two-days-after-abortion.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Read It Here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; My son was born close to 24 weeks.&amp;nbsp; i wonder what the mother is thinking now.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8932637053915834732?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8932637053915834732/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8932637053915834732' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8932637053915834732'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8932637053915834732'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/05/baby-boy-survives-for-nearly-two-days.html' title='Baby Boy Survives For Nearly Two Days After Abortion'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7745663425057385058</id><published>2010-04-30T15:39:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-04-30T15:42:24.756-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Unity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Truth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='denomination'/><title type='text'>The Basic Problem of Truth and Unity</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8256/unity2l.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8256/unity2l.jpg" tt="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;It seems like you can't have both.&amp;nbsp; You can have truth and unity on paper.&amp;nbsp; You define what are the bare minimum things people need to believe in order to be faithful members of the community of faith and then on paper, just assume that only those people will commune.&amp;nbsp; But it doesn't always work out that neatly in a practical sense.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;It's certainly popular currently to strive for unity among a broad range of disagreement about matters of truth.&amp;nbsp; But i don't believe it's possible to escape the fact that spiritual unity and community and fellowship requires some minimum level of agreement in order to exist in any meaningful way.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;i don't follow Christ alongside atheists or Hindus.&amp;nbsp; i don't "go to church" with people who don't even believe Jesus of Nazareth was God-incarnate, at least not in the same sense that i "go to church" with people who believe He was.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;But take something that most garden variety modern Christians would consider a "no-brainer"--like this issue of Christology.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Imagine the various rogue Christologies that have existed throughout church history. There are docetics, arians, gnostics, and even more. These are all people who consider themselves Christians but who do not share the same understandings of the terms “Jesus,” “Messiah,” and “Lord” as the majority of others in the world who consider themselves Christians.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Most Christians&amp;nbsp;believe there is fact of the matter about those terms and their meanings.&amp;nbsp; Not only this, but most Christians have treated those doctrines as non-negotiable--a person must believe particular things about the nature of Christ in order to be considered "one&amp;nbsp;of us."&amp;nbsp;So the other groups of people who are committed to different meanings of those terms–do you simply deny they are Christians as they claim to be? Many people would say, that's right, they’re not Christians. Well, okay. That’s fine. i think John seems to be on board with that assessment when it came to the Gnostics according to 1John. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The trouble is, some of those people may very well be sitting in the pew next to you. While there are religious groups who have officially defined themselves by these certain differing views, there are also individuals peppered through multiple “orthodox” groups who don’t personally hold the “orthodox” view of terms like “Jesus,” “Messiah,” or “Lord.” (There are people, though sparce, with rogue Christologies even in the CoC.) So do you treat those people as brethren because they’re in the same building as you? If so, then why not those people with similar views who are not in the same building? And if you do treat the guy in the pew next to you as a brother despite his mistaken view about the nature of Christ, then it’s no longer the case that the “truth” defines who’s “unified” in a practical sense. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;But suppose you think, no, that guy isn’t your brother because he doesn’t believe the truth. Then what’s he doing next to you? What’s he doing taking communion with you? What are you doing passing him the tray? What’s he doing leading prayers or songs or scripture readings or teaching classes? If he’s not your brother since he’s not among the “unified-defined-by-the-truth,” then why is he enjoying so much practical unity? If he’s not a brother and he’s allowed to lead the closing prayer, then why don’t we let any unbeliever at all do the same? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;How do you make "unity-defined-by-the-truth" a &lt;em&gt;practical&lt;/em&gt; reality?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7745663425057385058?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7745663425057385058/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7745663425057385058' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7745663425057385058'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7745663425057385058'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/04/basic-problem-of-truth-and-unity.html' title='The Basic Problem of Truth and Unity'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2846903069025337149</id><published>2010-04-30T15:20:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-04-30T15:20:48.224-05:00</updated><title type='text'>A Semester Long Hiatus</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;This blog was my dirty-little-distraction from all the grad school work i needed to be doing.&amp;nbsp; So six months ago i had to commit to not posting on this thing at all in order to give school the attention it deserves.&amp;nbsp; Anyhow, i'm about two-ish weeks away from being totally done with the semester and jumping into wonderful, beautiful summer break.&amp;nbsp; i definitely intend to get back to posting a bit on this thing during the break.&amp;nbsp; i'll even throw a post out there today just to get warmed up.&amp;nbsp; Hope people still peruse this place occasionally!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2846903069025337149?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2846903069025337149/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2846903069025337149' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2846903069025337149'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2846903069025337149'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2010/04/semester-long-hiatus.html' title='A Semester Long Hiatus'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5649930553533622024</id><published>2009-12-26T19:50:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-12-26T19:50:08.293-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Quote from MLK's "Letter..."</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;"Yes, I see the church as the body of Christ. But, oh! How we have blemished and scarred that body through social neglect and through fear of being nonconformists. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;There was a time when the church was very powerful in the time when the early Christians rejoiced at being deemed worthy to suffer for what they believed. In those days the church was not merely a thermometer that recorded the ideas and principles of popular opinion; it was a thermostat that transformed the mores of society. Whenever the early Christians entered a town, the people in power became disturbed and immediately sought to convict the Christians for being "disturbers of the peace" and "outside agitators"' But the Christians pressed on, in the conviction that they were "a colony of heaven," called to obey God rather than man. Small in number, they were big in commitment. They were too God intoxicated to be "astronomically intimidated." By their effort and example they brought an end to such ancient evils as infanticide. and gladiatorial contests. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Things are different now. So often the contemporary church is a weak, ineffectual voice with an uncertain sound. So often it is an archdefender of the status quo. Par from being disturbed by the presence of the church, the power structure of the average community is consoled by the church's silent and often even vocal sanction of things as they are. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;But the judgment of God is upon the church as never before. If today's church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it vi lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;What do you think?&amp;nbsp; Are King's words any less relevant or accurate nearly 50 years later?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5649930553533622024?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5649930553533622024/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5649930553533622024' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5649930553533622024'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5649930553533622024'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/12/quote-from-mlks-letter.html' title='Quote from MLK&apos;s &quot;Letter...&quot;'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-1005954174000537118</id><published>2009-12-24T01:51:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-12-24T01:51:52.599-06:00</updated><title type='text'>The Ugly Truth</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SzMdhTiQQZI/AAAAAAAAAEg/IsGd3FpcnBY/s1600-h/i+am+a+sinner.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" ps="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SzMdhTiQQZI/AAAAAAAAAEg/IsGd3FpcnBY/s200/i+am+a+sinner.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;i am a sinner.&amp;nbsp; a filthy sinner.&amp;nbsp; i am lustful.&amp;nbsp; i am lazy.&amp;nbsp; i am wasteful.&amp;nbsp; i indulgently look at things that are evil--images which objectify women and belittle the wickedness of violence.&amp;nbsp; i say things that are evil--gossip, judgment, dirty jokes, emphasis on base desires.&amp;nbsp; i ignore my fellow human beings who are in need--at work i actually try to avoid being solicited by the homeless and routinely deny them anything and deliberately try not to make eye contact with people standing at intersection corners begging.&amp;nbsp; i sin and sometimes just don't care--evil.&amp;nbsp; Sometimes i sin and don't even ask forgiveness because i know i'll just do it again.&amp;nbsp; soon even.&amp;nbsp; Sometimes before i'm about to sin my conscience is screaming inside my head--all my alarms are working perfectly inside my head, and i just tell them to shut up.&amp;nbsp; i willfully ignore all the conscientious red flags in my head because i decide i want to sin more than i want to be faithful to Christ.&amp;nbsp; Sometimes i wish i would stop, but know that i'll decide to do it anyway, so i don't do anything to try to stop because i know i'll just fail.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;So shouldn't i say these things to people in church?&amp;nbsp; Shouldn't i be real and honest and truthful about who and what i am and what i'm really going through?&amp;nbsp; Shouldn't i just admit all this?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Yet i feel tremendous pressure both cultural and emotional to hide it.&amp;nbsp; To pretend.&amp;nbsp; To wear something nice on Sunday morning and just act like things are the same as always and that of course i don't do anything terrible.&amp;nbsp; People who are terrible sinners aren't welcome on Sunday mornings.&amp;nbsp; Certainly no such person should ever be fellowshipped with by the prominent members of the congregation or asked to teach Bible classes or lead prayers.&amp;nbsp; Such people wouldn't be warmly greeted by regular members.&amp;nbsp; At best, such people would be scolded or tacitly judged and avoided.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;So it's best to hide, right?&amp;nbsp; It's best to pretend.&amp;nbsp; It's best to shake everyone's hand and smile and talk about school or the weather and&amp;nbsp;never share what's really going on for me in my personal discipleship and struggle with sin.&amp;nbsp; That way they'll keep talking to me and they'll keep inviting me to lunch.&amp;nbsp; i'll stay the same--i won't improve spiritually, but at least then i'll maintain the same relationship with them.&amp;nbsp; Besides, if i broke and told someone at church they'd feel super awkward that i was so open.&amp;nbsp; They'd likely just tell me to go talk to one of the ministers.&amp;nbsp; Which i could do, yes.&amp;nbsp; But of course, the minister and i both know he's only talking to me because he's the hired guy--the one paid to do just that sort of thing.&amp;nbsp; He's paid to care so that person in the pew who i just made feel awkward doesn't have to.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Funny thing is though, i can't help but think that lots of people in the pews next to me are just like me.&amp;nbsp; Sinners.&amp;nbsp; Filthy sinners.&amp;nbsp; The kind who do somethings and don't even care.&amp;nbsp; They know they should care.&amp;nbsp; But they don't.&amp;nbsp; They care enough to wish they were better.&amp;nbsp; But they don't care enough to really get better.&amp;nbsp; They're ashamed to tell anyone just like me and for similar reasons.&amp;nbsp; Hmmm.&amp;nbsp; Lots of us might just be going through the same thing.&amp;nbsp; More people than me might just be big, fat failures at following Christ.&amp;nbsp; Yet there's not enough trust or authenticity in the room for any of us to talk to each other about it.&amp;nbsp; Interesting.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Listen, i know that no amount of mistrust on Sunday morning alleviates my responsibility before God.&amp;nbsp; i am blameworthy.&amp;nbsp; i deserve the wrath of God.&amp;nbsp; i am willfully ignoring my commitment to my Savior and i have no excuse.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;But is my general experience and rationale all that uncommon?&amp;nbsp; Have i not accurately represented an average church-goer's experience or the social dynamic of the average congregation?&amp;nbsp; (And meanwhile, what do i do about me?&amp;nbsp; Sometimes i have very little hope of coming back and doing the right thing.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-1005954174000537118?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/1005954174000537118/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=1005954174000537118' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1005954174000537118'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1005954174000537118'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/12/ugly-truth.html' title='The Ugly Truth'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SzMdhTiQQZI/AAAAAAAAAEg/IsGd3FpcnBY/s72-c/i+am+a+sinner.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-3773512576387491915</id><published>2009-12-10T07:00:00.002-06:00</published><updated>2009-12-10T07:00:12.704-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Liturgy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='denomination'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ecclesiology'/><title type='text'>Prayer as Resistance</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3483/reijon20prayer20vigil.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" ps="true" src="http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3483/reijon20prayer20vigil.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;There's an awesome blog post over at Richard Beck's blog about&amp;nbsp;the historical use of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2009/12/prayer-as-resistance.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;prayer as resistance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Does the CoC, perhaps, have a weak theology and practice when it comes to communal prayer?&amp;nbsp; My impression growing up has been that prayer is little more than a pause between songs or the mark of the closing ceremonies.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Have we typically thought of prayer as a weapon?&amp;nbsp; As a force for change?&amp;nbsp; If not, why not?&amp;nbsp; Is that a misguided view?&amp;nbsp; i don't think so, but maybe i'm wrong.&amp;nbsp; It seems some religious groups view prayer almost like a weapon.&amp;nbsp; Liturgically speaking, why don't we view it or practice it in this way?&amp;nbsp; Again, is that a misguided notion?&amp;nbsp; Is it a misguided notion to think of prayer as a means of resisting and attacking evil in the world?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-3773512576387491915?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/3773512576387491915/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=3773512576387491915' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/3773512576387491915'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/3773512576387491915'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/12/prayer-as-resistance.html' title='Prayer as Resistance'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-694099741561219023</id><published>2009-12-07T07:00:00.002-06:00</published><updated>2009-12-07T07:00:05.035-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Drowning in Schoolwork, Something Weird, and Movies</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SxlQu_o7UnI/AAAAAAAAAEY/rN5f4kK05ok/s1600-h/mad-man-pulling-hair-out.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" er="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SxlQu_o7UnI/AAAAAAAAAEY/rN5f4kK05ok/s200/mad-man-pulling-hair-out.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;i'm a tad stressed at the moment.&amp;nbsp; i've got piles of schoolwork to complete now that there's not even two weeks left in the the semester.&amp;nbsp; So i'll just say that i probably need to take another break from blogging.&amp;nbsp; But like i said, i have a dozen or more draft blogs just waiting to be written.&amp;nbsp; Can't wait for xmas break though--i'm going to play video games with my son until our eyeballs fall out.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's something weird--certain things trigger all sorts of associations for me that don't make sense.&amp;nbsp; i got on an elevator today at school and a man walked out.&amp;nbsp; He was dressed rather nicely, a brown leather jacket, a yellow sweater -vest, he had a button up shirt underneath that, slacks, and some sort of nice brown dress shoe.&amp;nbsp; i got in the elevator as he was getting out.&amp;nbsp; i immediately breathed in the strong fragrance from his aftershave.&amp;nbsp; It smelled very, i don't know.&amp;nbsp; Sort of musky.&amp;nbsp; Very standard middle-aged "dad" sort of smell.&amp;nbsp; And all the sudden i had a flash of being in an airport.&amp;nbsp; For some reason i immediately associated this guy with the kind of person i would see in an airport.&amp;nbsp; i have no rhyme or reason for it.&amp;nbsp; Do you have any weird associations like that?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i really like movies!&amp;nbsp; i find myself, though, hunting for obscure movies that might not have been blockbusters but were deep or intellectually stimulating or present a dilemma that even the viewer feels faced with.&amp;nbsp; i like movies that really challenge me to think about a situation.&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;Blood Diamond&lt;/strong&gt; was very good i thought.&amp;nbsp; i recently watched &lt;strong&gt;In The Name Of The Father&lt;/strong&gt; and was really blown away by Northern Ireland in the 70's--i really didn't know it was that bad over there.&amp;nbsp; i watched &lt;strong&gt;The Brothers Karamazov&lt;/strong&gt; (a pre-Star Trek appearance of William Shatner in which he was actually a &lt;em&gt;good&lt;/em&gt; actor!).&amp;nbsp; Anyway, what i'm really looking for are recommendations.&amp;nbsp; What films have challenged you or made a lasting impression on you and why?&amp;nbsp; What do you recommend checking out?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-694099741561219023?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/694099741561219023/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=694099741561219023' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/694099741561219023'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/694099741561219023'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/12/drowning-in-schoolwork-something-weird.html' title='Drowning in Schoolwork, Something Weird, and Movies'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SxlQu_o7UnI/AAAAAAAAAEY/rN5f4kK05ok/s72-c/mad-man-pulling-hair-out.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2651508701995819499</id><published>2009-12-04T07:00:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-12-04T07:00:04.743-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Custom'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Culture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><title type='text'>What TV Show Would Jesus Watch? - An Interesting Take</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1942957,00.html"&gt;Check Out This Article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6098/ohbecarefullittleeyeswh.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6098/ohbecarefullittleeyeswh.jpg" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;This article presents at least a seed of an alternate view.&amp;nbsp; i've never watched the tv show "Glee" that the article is talking about, so i can't speak to that program in particular.&amp;nbsp; But i think the article makes some&amp;nbsp;general applications worth thinking about.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;"We shouldn't watch anything in a movie or tv or anything in a book we read or anything in music we listen to that's bad or sinful."&amp;nbsp; i've often found this traditional view both unsatisfying and difficult to argue with.&amp;nbsp; It seems like a good heuristic to keep me out of trouble.&amp;nbsp; But it also seems grossly oversimplified.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;First, however pure our intentions, it seems like some lines will be drawn that do more to insulate and isolate us from real people in real situations.&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; It seems to me there is such a thing as being so darn "Christian" that i really can't relate to or reach anyone who isn't.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;i remember reading someone use an illustration:&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;A number of missionaries in Ireland failed to reach the locals.&amp;nbsp; In particular, a missionary who had been there for years couldn't even get the locals to associate with him.&amp;nbsp; They wanted to go to the pub and drink and smoke, and since he taught that such things were sinful and such places were sinful, he would never go in to speak with them and they wouldn't ever ditch their drinking and smoking and pub-going to come out and speak with him.&amp;nbsp;Eventually, a new missionary came to town.&amp;nbsp; The first night he was there, he walked right into the pub, ordered a beer, got to know all the locals' names and occupations.&amp;nbsp; The second night at the pub, he asked them all about their families.&amp;nbsp; The third night at the pub, he asked them all about their struggles and worries.&amp;nbsp; The fourth night at the pub he told them all about his struggles and worries and how Jesus was the answer to it all.&amp;nbsp; The following Sunday, several of those pub-goers visited the new missionary's worship serivce.&amp;nbsp; The old missionary caught wind that some of the pub-goers had started going to church.&amp;nbsp; The old missionary went and spoke with the new missionary and asked him how he did it.&amp;nbsp; The new missionary explained exactly what he had done as soon as he got into town.&amp;nbsp; The old missionary was horrified, "you went into the pub and drank and smoked with them?!"&amp;nbsp; The new missionary replied, "Well, &lt;em&gt;someone&lt;/em&gt; had to do the Christ-like thing in that situation."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i don't mean to speak to the issue of drinking and smoking.&amp;nbsp; Maybe you do think those things are sinful.&amp;nbsp; Maybe they are.&amp;nbsp; But i think there is a principle in that illustration which makes an important point.&amp;nbsp; i think it's possible to be so "Christian-cultured" (for lack of a better term) that we end up being no earthly good.&amp;nbsp; Jesus met people where they were.&amp;nbsp; He ate with them in their houses and attended their dinner parties and all the religious people of His day accused him of being a "party-er."&amp;nbsp; i wonder if we were there back then if we would find ourselves in Jesus' shoes rubbing elbows with the lower rungs of society or in the shoes of the Pharisees looking down their noses at Jesus and the people He aimed to reach.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i realize this really isn't a point directly related to what a Christian should watch on tv or listen to in their CD player, but i think it is indirectly related.&amp;nbsp; We can treat modern art and media with such contempt that it does create a gulf between us "religious people" and the people in society for whom such art is an important identifying marker and community builder.&amp;nbsp; Just work with teenagers for very long and you'll learn the very powerful effect a rock band has at bringing kids together and building a sub-culture.&amp;nbsp; Rather than standing outside their circle berating them for their "wicked, dirty" music, why not go to their concert with them and learn what's important to them and what is it about that art which they identify with and then share your own story as well.&amp;nbsp; Doesn't that seem more akin to Jesus' method of ministry?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Second, this view seems to lead to a lot of inconsistent judgments&lt;/strong&gt; which the author of the article points out.&amp;nbsp; Harry Potter is the work of the devil, yet The Chronicles of Narnia should be required Christian reading.&amp;nbsp; 'Any movie with sex in it is wicked and we should never watch it,' yet the Bible has more scandalous sex in it than most modern movies.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;So what?&amp;nbsp; We can and should watch/read/listen to whatever we want regardless of content?&amp;nbsp; Of course, not.&amp;nbsp; But it seems like we need a far more nuanced view.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i'm not about to tell you i have it all figured out and can produce such a nuanced view.&amp;nbsp; But i will offer something i think is a place to start.&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;Motive.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/strong&gt;i think a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; of ethical questions for a disciple should really come down to motive.&amp;nbsp; What am i after?&amp;nbsp; What's moving me?&amp;nbsp; What's my goal?&amp;nbsp; What's driving me?&amp;nbsp; i think once you take them time to give brutally honest answers to those sorts of questions, you'll already have a pretty good idea of what you should do or not do.&amp;nbsp; So in this case, &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; am i watching the shows i'm watching?&amp;nbsp; &lt;em&gt;Why&lt;/em&gt; am i reading the books i'm reading?&amp;nbsp; More to the point--&lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; do i enjoy those shows/books/songs?&amp;nbsp; What is it about them that attracts me?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i think if people were honest in answering those questions, they might find that they should give up watching/reading some things that by all appearances seem harmless.&amp;nbsp; And i think they also might find that in some cases what they previously thought was "wicked and dirty" might be worth checking out.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2651508701995819499?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2651508701995819499/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2651508701995819499' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2651508701995819499'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2651508701995819499'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/12/what-tv-show-would-jesus-watch.html' title='What TV Show Would Jesus Watch? - An Interesting Take'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-6178403968901253352</id><published>2009-12-02T07:00:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-12-02T07:00:06.558-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Welfare'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Benevolence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='West'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Materialism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Middle Class'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='discipleship'/><title type='text'>Willingness</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/neverendingstorygate.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="241" src="http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/neverendingstorygate.jpg" width="320" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;i think many disagreements and conflicts we experience in our personal faith or congregations really boil down to the issue of willingness. Willingness is the real test of the sincerity of our words or where we really stand or what we're really made of. We freely engage in debates with others over how to understand the Bible (or anything in life for that matter). But if the other person showed us we were wrong about something, would we really change? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Suppose someone who approves of instrumental music in worship (Mr. IM) was debating with someone who rejects instrumental music in worship (Mr. AC). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Mr. IM: "Mr. AC, in the hypothetical situation that God came down to us right now and told you to your face that instrumental music was okay, would you change your mind?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Mr. AC: (thinking to himself)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Mr. IM: "Or suppose that i really could show you from the Bible that instrumental music was okay, would you change your mind?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Mr. AC: "I guess, if I'm honest, I still wouldn't change my mind."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Mr. IM: "Then it's not really about what the Bible says or not or what God wants, it's really that you're just committed to your view no matter what and you're unwilling to give it up. So why are we even debating about what the Bible teaches?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;i think this sort of "willingness" test shows us where we really are spiritually--whether we're more committed to God or ourselves. Notice: The above conversation couldn't happened with the characters reversed; Mr. AC could've used the willingness-test on Mr. IM. A willingness-test would be revealing of where anyone stands regardless of what position they take in a given debate. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;So i'd like to propose another form of the willingness test: "Would you still be a disciple of Christ if...?" &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus asked some of His apostles to literally get up and walk away from their jobs and homes and day-to-day lives. If Christ asked you today to walk away from your job, to leave your home, to walk away from your routine and to literally leave familiar places and faces--if that's what being a "Christian" required of you, would you still choose to be one?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9492/forkintheroad.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="239" src="http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9492/forkintheroad.jpg" width="320" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;The early church had to support each other materially. The Jerusalem church had a number of people who had travelled from their homes just to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. Those people had left their jobs and livelihoods and needed the material support of the Christians who were local. The early church also monetarily supported the members who were widows. There likely wasn't life insurance plans or pensions or social security. Widows were in a desperate situation. Churches collected money amongst themselves to make sure the widows in their midst were taken care of. James speaks of the worthlessness of well-wishing versus real material care of brothers in need. And John seems to make material care of fellow Christians in need a litmus test for whether a person even is a Christian. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;In our day and time when people in our congregation fall on hard times, we do have things like social security and insurances and even charitable agencies. And i think it's very easy and comfortable for us to think to ourselves, "well, i don't need to give them anything because they've got lots of options they can explore before they'll come to me." [Boy, i'd love to write a post or two just on that attitude alone.] But what if it was your job to take care of that person? What if being a "Christian" required that you took care of that person monetarily and materially? What if being a "Christian" required that you had to host that widow in your home and take care of her? If that's what Christ expect of you, then would you still choose to be His disciple?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;The early church also suffered tremendous bouts of persecution. Christians experienced a great deal of mistreatment first from Jews and later on from the Romans. Christians were killed--publically stoned, crucified, made a gory spectacle of in colosseum-style games, etc. They were refused jobs and services. i can't prove this, but i can't help but think that they're children were likely mistreated as well just because of being the child of a Christian. The sad truth is that the vile persecution of Christians is still a very common fact in some parts of the world. But here in the West, we really don't face anything comparable to the first century church. But suppose that's what it meant to be a Christian. Knowing that choosing to be a Christian would tremendously increase your chances of being assaulted or ostracized or even executed, would you still choose to be one?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;So did you say "no" to any of the test questions? Did you say "yes," but reluctantly? Did you feel like you just couldn't answer at all? Did you quickly say "yes," but then try not to dwell deeply on what those scenarios would really be like? What does that say about the extent of your willingness to follow Christ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-6178403968901253352?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/6178403968901253352/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=6178403968901253352' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6178403968901253352'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/6178403968901253352'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/12/willingness.html' title='Willingness'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-7711315963709573081</id><published>2009-11-30T07:00:00.001-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-30T07:00:00.546-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church of Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship Service'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ecclesiology'/><title type='text'>Club Membership vs. Discipleship</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3616/clubmembershipt.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="136" src="http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3616/clubmembershipt.jpg" width="320" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;What is "club membership"?&amp;nbsp; Membership in a club is about meeting attendance, paying club dues, membership benefits, initiation rituals and ceremonies, and supporting club events.&amp;nbsp; You can get this sort of experience from a gym, from AAA, from the local Country Club, from a sorority or fraternity, from Freemasonry, and even from Sam's Warehouse.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Here's some tough questions:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Do&amp;nbsp;we "do church" in such a way that&amp;nbsp;gives people the impression that Christianity is merely club membership?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Do&amp;nbsp;we "do church" in such a way that&amp;nbsp;facilitates people who are merely looking for a club membership experience?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;And most importantly, should we "do church" in this way?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Of course, "doing church" even flawlessly will still bear at least some resemblance to club membership.&amp;nbsp; We still give of our means for support of the church's work (membership dues) and we gather together on a regular basis (meeting attendance) and people get baptized (initiation rituals) and take the Lord's Supper (ceremony).&amp;nbsp; But how similar should discipleship and club membership be?&amp;nbsp; Is discipleship qualitatively distinct from club membership?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4875/ru410fe53db449481a451f9.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="192" src="http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4875/ru410fe53db449481a451f9.png" width="320" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Church and the Lord's Supper and so on--these do include a sense of community and belonging and purpose.&amp;nbsp; This is certainly similar to club membership.&amp;nbsp; But d&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;iscipleship is about denying self, taking up your cross, and following Christ (Mark 8:34), about losing one's life for the sake of Christ and the gospel (Mark 8:35), about being unashamed of Christ and His teaching (Mark 8:38).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Joining&amp;nbsp;a club membership is largely about what benefits i will get from membership.&amp;nbsp; Christianity is about giving and serving to the point of sacrificing personal benefit.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Further, the church and its practices is not a club that just happens to be suited to Christians who want a club membership.&amp;nbsp; The church ought to be the manifestation of Christians living out their discipleship.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Discipleship requires a kind of commitment that clubs don't.&amp;nbsp; Christ demands my all.&amp;nbsp; i am to surrender the entirety of my life to him--the way i think, act, speak, and plan.&amp;nbsp; i join a club as an addition to my life, to fill it out a little more than it already was or to find what was lacking in my life.&amp;nbsp; When i become a Christian, discipleship &lt;em&gt;is &lt;/em&gt;my life.&amp;nbsp; Further, i owe my fellow Christians a depth and scope of service and love that is not required by club membership.&amp;nbsp; When the church is being what it should, members really do stand or fall together.&amp;nbsp; We uphold each other, no one is expendable, everyone is needed.&amp;nbsp; When you leave a club, what they miss is your dues.&amp;nbsp; But they can recruit more members.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i think there are more pertinent differences between the two but i'm having trouble formulating the differences.&amp;nbsp; What other differences are there?&amp;nbsp; In what other ways is discipleship clearly different from club membership?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Here's what i really wanted to get to.&amp;nbsp; How should we "do church"?&amp;nbsp; Or rather, how should we &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; "do church"?&amp;nbsp; i think it's a sad fact that there are churches out there who are aiming to be nothing more than a club-membership-alternative.&amp;nbsp; If push came to shove, the leadership would practically admit as much.&amp;nbsp; Sadly, i've even known preachers who were told by their elders to &lt;em&gt;stop&lt;/em&gt; baptizing people and making the congregation grow numerically because the long-standing elders and families &lt;em&gt;preferred&lt;/em&gt; a small church (the desire for an "exclusive" club).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/Swb7UsrNPoI/AAAAAAAAADw/9iYT1qbTrDk/s1600/churchsign.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/Swb7UsrNPoI/AAAAAAAAADw/9iYT1qbTrDk/s320/churchsign.jpg" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;But there are also churches who are aiming to be more.&amp;nbsp; There are churches that sincerely want to be a manifestation of Christian discipleship.&amp;nbsp; Yet they end up creating an environment which either gives people the impression that Christianity is mere club membership, or they create an environment which facilitates and even coddles people who are looking for mere club membership.&amp;nbsp; These churches often emphasize features of their practice or facility which mimick club membership and use those features to draw visitors.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;But is that the kind of growth we really want?&amp;nbsp; Even if people join and later wise up, do the ends justify the means?&amp;nbsp; Can i use any old bait at all to get someone into a baptistry even if that bait is deceitful and misrepresentative of Christianity?&amp;nbsp; Should i even view it as a bait-and-hook situation?&amp;nbsp; Yes, Jesus taught the apostles to be "fishers of men," but did He intend that phrase to imply that we can play on people's base or&amp;nbsp;even sinful inclinations as a means of &lt;em&gt;attracting&lt;/em&gt; them to Christ?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i'd like to suggest that we ought to aim to disassociate ourselves with the "club membership" idea.&amp;nbsp; As long as we mimick the club membership experience, i don't think we'll ever ultimately grow past the club membership experience.&amp;nbsp; In mimicking a club membership experience, the church environment will not be conducive to testing or growing people's faith&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;beyond&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;what is required by mere club membership.&amp;nbsp; We shouldn't consider it growth when we recruit mere club-members versus actually converting people to Christ.&amp;nbsp; We shouldn't consider it growth or progress if we never increase in our mutual edification, interdependency, and one-another-ness.&amp;nbsp; More club members and larger club-due-revenue is not biblical growth.&amp;nbsp; And the more we cater to "club membership" mentality, the more we cheapen what discipleship and the church really are.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-7711315963709573081?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/7711315963709573081/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=7711315963709573081' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7711315963709573081'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/7711315963709573081'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/club-membership-vs-discipleship.html' title='Club Membership vs. Discipleship'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/Swb7UsrNPoI/AAAAAAAAADw/9iYT1qbTrDk/s72-c/churchsign.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-2697797809088479248</id><published>2009-11-23T07:00:00.012-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-23T07:00:00.241-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanksgiving Hiatus</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwmQf2NtC1I/AAAAAAAAAEQ/OTthO3TR_o8/s1600/Lio+Thanksgiving.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwmQf2NtC1I/AAAAAAAAAEQ/OTthO3TR_o8/s400/Lio+Thanksgiving.gif" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: x-large;"&gt;No blogging the rest of the week!&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwcAxh3RKtI/AAAAAAAAAD4/xaKR57I50IA/s1600/thanksgiving+candles.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwcAxh3RKtI/AAAAAAAAAD4/xaKR57I50IA/s320/thanksgiving+candles.gif" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: x-large;"&gt;Other than eating til i throw up and playing with my son, i have three ginormous term papers i need to work on!&amp;nbsp; i have about a dozen or more&amp;nbsp;blog-drafts i'm working on, so i'll post some more next week.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: x-large;"&gt;What do you like to stuff your face with at Thanksgiving?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwcA64GfY4I/AAAAAAAAAEI/ihn525czh0k/s1600/pumpkin+pie.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwcA64GfY4I/AAAAAAAAAEI/ihn525czh0k/s320/pumpkin+pie.jpg" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-2697797809088479248?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/2697797809088479248/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=2697797809088479248' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2697797809088479248'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/2697797809088479248'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/thanksgiving-hiatus.html' title='Thanksgiving Hiatus'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwmQf2NtC1I/AAAAAAAAAEQ/OTthO3TR_o8/s72-c/Lio+Thanksgiving.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4724146717529055761</id><published>2009-11-20T07:00:00.005-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-20T07:00:03.928-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Situation Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism 7</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwSdc6BLQPI/AAAAAAAAADo/4ETdnRY18jk/s1600/Love+Your+Enemies.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwSdc6BLQPI/AAAAAAAAADo/4ETdnRY18jk/s320/Love+Your+Enemies.JPG" yr="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Is pacifism just about people who don't want to get their hands dirty?&amp;nbsp; Are pacifists just more concerned with their own personal holiness than with the well-being of other people that might require protection?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;i would love to direct your attention to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://twofriarsandafool.blogspot.com/2009/11/holier-than-your-violent-ass.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;this blog post&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;regarding pacifism.&amp;nbsp; The author has definitely said some things better than i have been doing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4724146717529055761?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4724146717529055761/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4724146717529055761' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4724146717529055761'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4724146717529055761'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/pacifism-7.html' title='Pacifism 7'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SwSdc6BLQPI/AAAAAAAAADo/4ETdnRY18jk/s72-c/Love+Your+Enemies.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8709544006143272539</id><published>2009-11-18T07:00:00.002-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-18T07:00:10.677-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baptism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Salvation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church of Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church of Christ CoC'/><title type='text'>Baptism: Framing The Debate</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4640/baptism3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="174" sr="true" src="http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4640/baptism3.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;In a somewhat recent &lt;a href="http://oneinjesus.info/2009/09/28/football-annoying-comments-and-baptism-not-in-order-of-importance/"&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt;, Jay Guin has argued that when it comes to baptism, we CoCer's&amp;nbsp;have historically been debating the wrong question with other denominations.&amp;nbsp; We typically argue with Baptists, Methodists, et al over the question: Is baptism essential?&amp;nbsp; Jay says this question is misguided&amp;nbsp;has left the debates largely unfruitful.&amp;nbsp; The people in those other denominations believe they've been baptized and do teach others to be baptized.&amp;nbsp; So whether baptism is essential is really a misleading approach.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Jay suggests that what we ought to be&amp;nbsp;investigating is this question: Will God accept a less-than-perfect baptism?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;i think Jay's right that the essentiality question is unhelpful and misleading, but i'd like to suggest that even Jay's question is unhelpful and misleading as well.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;(1) The question bears heavy connotation: &lt;em&gt;How dare we expect someone to do something perfectly in order to be acceptable to God!&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; No, it's not stated in so many words&amp;nbsp;anywhere in the original post.&amp;nbsp; But the&amp;nbsp;basic line of argument is:&amp;nbsp;If you expect perfection, then everyone's doomed.&amp;nbsp; Thus, if you expect a "perfect" baptism, then even tons of people you think are okay probably aren't.&amp;nbsp; &lt;em&gt;And would you appreciate it if someone expected perfection of you?&amp;nbsp; Or a perfect baptism?&amp;nbsp; So don't lay that&amp;nbsp;burden on someone else!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;i think&amp;nbsp;there's quite&amp;nbsp;a bit of truth to this candor.&amp;nbsp; The CoC&amp;nbsp;is definitely not in&amp;nbsp;agreement on what's precisely necessary for a baptism to be "valid."&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Sometimes we disagree or even change what we think "repentance" requires, or we disagree or even&amp;nbsp;change what we think a person must know or understand about baptism when undergoing it.&amp;nbsp; People hear this confusion, get doubts about an event they don't remember very well, and then decide to get&amp;nbsp;dunked a few more times just to make sure.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;That is crazy; the church clearly should have a dialectic situation where congregants undergo and are confident in only one event (barring obvious exceptions like when someone knows with certainty they got dunked to impress their loved ones or something like that).&amp;nbsp; And the fact that our current dialectic situation is riddled with themes of ever-more-exacting-standards is partially to blame, no doubt.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sI28iJloqVM/R5etytxJmSI/AAAAAAAAAbs/myxbLpSxw7I/s1600/ride.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sr="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sI28iJloqVM/R5etytxJmSI/AAAAAAAAAbs/myxbLpSxw7I/s320/ride.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Where i think the connotative content of Jay's proposed question is misleading is that, well, frankly, God can expect whatever He fancies.&amp;nbsp; The connotative force of this question is that you can't possibly say no to it.&amp;nbsp; "&lt;em&gt;Of course, God will accept a less-than-perfect baptism because He's such a good guy and only someone stern or intolerant would expect it to be perfect--they just need to lighten up."&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; However imperfect we are, and however nice it may be to let people slide sometimes, that doesn't mean God's a bad guy if He does reject our baptism or whatever else.&amp;nbsp; The same loving merciful God who gave Hannah a child and the Israelites more 2nd chances than i can count is also the same God who struck dead Uzzah for touching a box and&amp;nbsp;Annanias and Saphira for a wee little lie.&amp;nbsp; It may be true that God will accept a "less-than-perfect baptism."&amp;nbsp; All i mean to point out is that God is not somehow obligated to do so, and thus we're not automatically bad guys if we choose not to adopt a "just let everyone slide" mentality.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(2) Asking whether God will accept a less-than-perfect baptism takes for granted one of the central questions that is in debate: What precisely is baptism?&amp;nbsp; It's not merely that some CoCer's think that Baptists were baptized but not good enough, it's also a matter of whether some people have been baptized &lt;em&gt;at all.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; Now, don't get me wrong, maybe they have.&amp;nbsp; i'm not attempting to answer these questions, just to assess the playing field and see what helps and what doesn't.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Now traditionally, the CoC has held the following position.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;An event is baptism if and only if:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;1. The element used was &lt;em&gt;water.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;2. The mode used was &lt;em&gt;immersion.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;3. The candidate was a &lt;em&gt;penitent believer&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;4. The purpose was &lt;em&gt;the forgiveness of sins.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;As many have pointed out, there's lots of haze and fog even in that definition.&amp;nbsp; What counts as "penitent"?&amp;nbsp; Does every last molecule of your body have to be submerged in water in order for it to count as "immersion"?&amp;nbsp; What counts as "for the forgiveness of sins"?&amp;nbsp; Does that have to be the conscious purpose in the mind of the candidate?&amp;nbsp; Or the administrator?&amp;nbsp; Or God alone?&amp;nbsp; Or all three?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;These questions and the wide array of answers have left lots of people in doubt and lots of people multiply-dunked.&amp;nbsp; And that is sad.&amp;nbsp; But my point here is this, what we need is a bare minimum definition of baptism, not some spectrum of perfect to&amp;nbsp;imperfect baptism.&amp;nbsp; Such a spectrum doesn't tell us where the bottom is.&amp;nbsp; And thus we can always argue for accepting one step lower on the spectrum, and eventually anything at all counts as baptism.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i'd like to suggest then two questions that i do think are helpful in this historical debate (one i've already stated):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;First, what are the bare minimum component necessary for an act to constitute baptism?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Second, how can i know that someone else has been baptized?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Regarding the second question, my point is this: i can&amp;nbsp;know a great deal more about my own baptism because i have&amp;nbsp;first person access to my own motives and intentions.&amp;nbsp; Poor memory may be my only obstacle.&amp;nbsp; But in the case of other people, i do not have first person access.&amp;nbsp; Thus, i think our standards for&amp;nbsp;determining whether another person has been baptized must be more relaxed and we have to extend a great deal of trust.&amp;nbsp; Whether or not another person has been baptized is&amp;nbsp;largely &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; person's responsibility to discern.&amp;nbsp; All we can&amp;nbsp;have is a possible four part definition.&amp;nbsp; It's either true or false.&amp;nbsp; But suppose it's true.&amp;nbsp; If a person says they've&amp;nbsp;met those conditions, then who are we to argue with them?&amp;nbsp; And if they say they met those conditions, what does&amp;nbsp;it matter to us what building they did it in or what the sign out front said?&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8709544006143272539?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8709544006143272539/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8709544006143272539' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8709544006143272539'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8709544006143272539'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/baptism-framing-debate.html' title='Baptism: Framing The Debate'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sI28iJloqVM/R5etytxJmSI/AAAAAAAAAbs/myxbLpSxw7I/s72-c/ride.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-8557268982043947647</id><published>2009-11-16T07:00:00.004-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-16T11:17:18.782-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Situation Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism 6</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5217/christianpeace.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" sr="true" src="http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5217/christianpeace.jpg" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;A lot of objections to pacifism boil down to very similar themes.&amp;nbsp; Pacifism is just a way to justify doing nothing.&amp;nbsp; Pacifism is just a moral cover for cowardice.&amp;nbsp; It may be true that some pacifists have been guilty of both.&amp;nbsp; But pacifism as a Christian ideal is none of the above.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Pacifism is not a way to justify doing nothing.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Pacifism is not about doing nothing, it's about doing something &lt;em&gt;different.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; Christ didn't merely condemn one course of action, He introduced an entirely different program for engaging evil in the world.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;"&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Love &lt;/em&gt;your enemies&lt;/span&gt;." (Matt 5:44)&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;"&lt;em&gt;Bless&lt;/em&gt; those who persecute you." (Rom 12:14)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;"Overcome evil with &lt;em&gt;good&lt;/em&gt;." (Rom 12:21)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Rather than simply contribute to the evil already in the world, i have a new mission, a new strategy--to take evil out of circulation.&amp;nbsp; Tit-for-tat just won't cut it in Christ's kingdom.&amp;nbsp; But Christ, by no means, allows me to do nothing.&amp;nbsp; i'm called to do something much more difficult than tit-for-tat.&amp;nbsp; When people seem unloveable, i'm called to love them.&amp;nbsp; When people do things that seem unforgiveable, i'm called to forgive.&amp;nbsp; When people clearly seem to deserve bad treatment, i'm called to be kind to them.&amp;nbsp; i have to love, forgive, bless, and be kind to people that do not deserve one drop of it.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Why?&amp;nbsp; Isn't it obvious that some&amp;nbsp;people just need shot?&amp;nbsp; Isn't it obvious that some people just need the crap beat out of them?&amp;nbsp; Isn't it obvious that some people just deserve to be slandered and ostracized?&amp;nbsp; Isn't it obvious that some people need a taste of their own medicine?&amp;nbsp; So why shouldn't i be the one who gives it to them?&amp;nbsp; Why should i have to treat people completely differently from the way they treat me and others?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2046/loveyourenemiesx.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="157" sr="true" src="http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2046/loveyourenemiesx.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. &lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;(Matt 5:45-48)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;i may feel like beating someone's brains out because they're such a jerk, but do i deserve any different?&amp;nbsp; i may think that people should get what they deserve, but am i ready for God to give me what i deserve?&amp;nbsp; God loves me, forgives me, blesses me, and is kind to me even when i don't deserve any of it--even when i clearly deserve the very opposite.&amp;nbsp; And, in fact, God showers such goodness even on people who will never change their ways or love Him.&amp;nbsp; So am i better than God?&amp;nbsp; God has every right to give people what they deserve, yet He chooses to shower them all with love, kindness, blessing, and forgiveness.&amp;nbsp; How can i do any differently?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Loving someone, being kind to someone, blessing someone, and forgiving someone--these hardly constitute "doing nothing."&amp;nbsp; When i'm being attacked, pacifism doesn't obligate me to do nothing.&amp;nbsp; It obligates me to turn the other cheek, to love, to feed and clothe my enemy, to pray for him, etc.&amp;nbsp; When my son is being attacked, pacifism doesn't obligate me to do nothing.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Christ&amp;nbsp;sacrificed&amp;nbsp;Himself for my sake.&amp;nbsp; i can certainly take a bullet or a beating for my son's sake.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/450/78423127.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="220" sr="true" src="http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/450/78423127.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Pacifism isn't about doing nothing.&amp;nbsp; It's first and foremost about being willing to do something much harder than simply falling back on&amp;nbsp;tit-for-tat.&amp;nbsp; And it's also&amp;nbsp;about the&amp;nbsp;much more difficult work of finding imaginitive ways of&amp;nbsp;overcoming evil with good.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Pacifism is not a cover for cowardice.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Violence and hatred is a cover for fear if anything ever was.&amp;nbsp; When&amp;nbsp;people have big muscles and big guns and big&amp;nbsp;mobs and big armies&amp;nbsp;and big amounts of anger and adrenaline coursing through&amp;nbsp;their system,&amp;nbsp;should we seriously conclude that their violence and retaliation is about&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;courage &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;bravery&lt;/em&gt;?&amp;nbsp; It's easy to be a "brave" man when you're on the "good" side of a gun barrell.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Take away the gun and how "brave" will that same person be?&amp;nbsp; Strip it all away.&amp;nbsp; Put yourself in a country with either a weak or non-existent military and police force.&amp;nbsp; Suppose you neither own nor have access to any defensive weapons.&amp;nbsp; Suppose you have no hand-to-hand combat skills and poor physical strength.&amp;nbsp; Now, ask yourself, why would&amp;nbsp;you choose violence and retaliation?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana;"&gt;The root of this thing is fear.&amp;nbsp; Fear of being powerless.&amp;nbsp; Fear of being helpless.&amp;nbsp; Fear of losing control.&amp;nbsp; Fear of getting hurt.&amp;nbsp; Fear of disrespect.&amp;nbsp; We fear not having control over a situation.&amp;nbsp; We fear things not turning out the way we want them to.&amp;nbsp; We fear what other people will think of us.&amp;nbsp; We fear suffering pain whether physical or emotional.&amp;nbsp; Fear, fear, fear!&amp;nbsp; But what did Jesus say?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;(Matt 10:28)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Peter taught his readers to have no fear of people who mistreat them (1Peter 3:14).&amp;nbsp; Paul taught Timothy that God has not given us a spirit of fear (2Tim 1:7).&amp;nbsp; And Proverbs says: "&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;the righteous are as bold as a lion"&lt;/span&gt; (Prov 28:1).&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;[i love that last one.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana;"&gt;So, again, put yourself in that police-less, military-less country with no personal weapons or combat skills or physical prowess.&amp;nbsp; It would be easy to think that what you need are weapons and fighting skills.&amp;nbsp; And you could even pray, "Lord, please give me the means necessary to defend myself."&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9471/159202058001202020hand2.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" sr="true" src="http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9471/159202058001202020hand2.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana;"&gt;But what if this was God's answer?: "Sure.&amp;nbsp; Here are your weapons: prayer, love, self-sacrifice, forgiveness, and My word."&amp;nbsp;What if that's all God gave you to face the dangers of the world?&amp;nbsp; Now ask yourself, does it take more guts to rely on a machine gun to win your battles?&amp;nbsp; Or to rely on prayer to win them?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Christian pacifism calls on me to stop being such a coward.&amp;nbsp; --to stop being so afraid of everything &lt;em&gt;as though evil people truly have any power over me&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Christ is in control.&amp;nbsp; God is on the throne.&amp;nbsp; God will put the whole world to rights in the end.&amp;nbsp; And God will raise me from the dead.&amp;nbsp; Do i have the testicular fortitude to believe that or not?&amp;nbsp; Derek Webb sings, &lt;em&gt;"There's got to be a love stronger than our fear of everything being out of control." (&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrbPUspkbbI"&gt;It's a fantastic song!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;) There most certainly is.&amp;nbsp; Christian pacifism calls me to be bold and courageous enough to believe that love is stronger than hate, that raising my hands in prayer is more powerful than clinching them into fists, that goodness and kindness really can overcome injustice and evil, and that Christ's way of doing things is superior to the world's way.&amp;nbsp; Thus, my job is to wage peace, to bring hate to its knees, and to never be overcome by evil, but to overcome evil with good. That's hardly a cover for cowardice.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-8557268982043947647?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/8557268982043947647/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=8557268982043947647' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8557268982043947647'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/8557268982043947647'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/pacifism-6.html' title='Pacifism 6'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5269244109563471801</id><published>2009-11-13T07:00:00.015-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-13T07:00:07.909-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Situation Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism 5</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4987/thechristianmartyrslast.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="242" sr="true" src="http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4987/thechristianmartyrslast.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Some might argue that scriptures which condemn violent retaliation only apply when Christians are being mistreated &lt;em&gt;because they are Christians.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;because of me&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. (Matt 5:11)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;It's true, Stephen was martyred because he was a Christian.&amp;nbsp; Paul was abused because he was a Christian.&amp;nbsp; James was slaughtered because he was a Christian.&amp;nbsp; But what if you're being mistreated, but not &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; you're a Christian?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;First, "because you're a Christian" is a vague phrase.&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; What counts as being mistreated "because you're a Christian"?&amp;nbsp; Perhaps you're being mistreated "because you're a Christian" when:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(a) The person(s) mistreating you believes that you're a Christian&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(b) The person(s) mistreating you harbors ill-will against Christianity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(c) The person(s) mistreating you is motivated by that ill-will when &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; mistreating you&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;This seems a clear cut case of being mistreated "because you're a Christian," but these criteria are entirely too strict.&amp;nbsp; Herod's execution of James (Acts 12) doesn't fit this criteria at all.&amp;nbsp; Herod arguably didn't harbor ill-will toward Christianity nor was his act motivated by it nor was it even necessarily the case that he believed James was a Christian.&amp;nbsp; Herod wanted the approval of the Jews and &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; believed James was a Christian and harbored ill-will toward Christianity.&amp;nbsp; James was mistreated "because he was a Christian," but it's quite possible that the person mistreating him didn't meet any of the above criteria.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;This opens the question: whose perspective counts?&amp;nbsp; Is "because-you're-a-Christian" mistreatment about what the perpetrator thinks about the situation?&amp;nbsp; Is it about what onlookers think about the situation?&amp;nbsp; Is it about what you think about the situation?&amp;nbsp; Is it about what God thinks about the situation?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;i'm not sure i have an answer to what exactly is required for mistreatment to be "because you're a Christian," but i will offer two things i think point us in the right direction.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(1) i do certain things because i'm a Christian, and it may be the case that no one around me knows why i'm doing those things.&amp;nbsp; A co-worker may despise me because he thinks i'm a "goody-two-shoes" and may even give me a hard time because of it.&amp;nbsp; But he's not aware that the particular reason i perform "goody-two-shoes"-types of behavior is because i'm a Christian, and he would just as soon give me a hard time either way.&amp;nbsp; i may have to stand up for what's right because i'm a Christian, and people may oppose me for standing up for what's right even though they aren't consciously opposing me for being a Christian.&amp;nbsp; Yet i believe this still clearly counts as a case of being mistreated "because i'm a Christian."&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(2) God expects that everything i do is to be done in the name of the Lord (Col 3:17) and to His glory (1Cor 10:31).&amp;nbsp; That doesn't mean that people who don't like the way i blow my nose are persecuting me.&amp;nbsp; But it means there is never a time when i'm not Christ's representative.&amp;nbsp; There's no "off-duty hours" for a Christian.&amp;nbsp; If i am a Christian, i am obligated to be Christian in all situations, times,&amp;nbsp;and circumstances i face.&amp;nbsp; Thus, just because people mistreating me may not know or care whether i'm a Christian, i'm nonetheless obligated to behave as a Christian in response to their mistreatment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Second, is it really the case that the NT condemnation of violent retaliation only applies when i'm being mistreated &lt;em&gt;because i'm a Christian? &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus' instructions in the Sermon on the Mount regarding turning the other cheek and loving your enemies include no such qualification about the reason for mistreatment. It's arguable that the Roman soldiers imposing their load upon people for a mile at a time didn't care about the particular beliefs that person held (Matt 5:41). Rather, Jesus' rationale is that you should do good to those who do evil to you because God blesses even the wicked (Matt 5:45).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6125/aneyeforaneyeleavesthew.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="203" sr="true" src="http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6125/aneyeforaneyeleavesthew.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Peter's instructions about not returning evil for evil do not have a mistreatment-because-of-being-a-Christian qualification.&amp;nbsp; Peter, rather, is giving instructions first about how Christians are to treat &lt;em&gt;each other&lt;/em&gt; (1Pet 3:8), and then as he continues,&amp;nbsp;he develops into the topic of Christian persecution (1Pet 3:13f)&lt;em&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Paul's instructions (Rom 12:14-21) do not contain any qualification about the motive for mistreatment.&amp;nbsp; And Paul, too, includes how Christians treat one another in his instructions about retaliation (Rom 12:16).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Therefore, the instructions given to Christians which condemn vengeance/retaliation/turning the other cheek are not restricted to circumstances in which the mistreatment is somehow motivated against Christianity.&amp;nbsp; Rather, these instructions are given to disciples as general and universal ethical norms.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5269244109563471801?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5269244109563471801/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5269244109563471801' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5269244109563471801'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5269244109563471801'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/pacifism-5.html' title='Pacifism 5'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-1726747011519211962</id><published>2009-11-11T07:00:00.002-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-11T07:00:10.808-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sacred'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religious Tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Scripture'/><title type='text'>Self-Appointed Editors of the Bible</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3064/cuttings.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="211" sr="true" src="http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3064/cuttings.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Apparently, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.popeater.com/2009/11/02/ian-mckellen-bible-leviticus-1822/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Ian McKellan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;has a habit of editing the Bibles in the drawers of hotel rooms where he stays.&amp;nbsp; He rips out the pages which contain condemnations of homosexuality.&amp;nbsp; He says it's the difference between throwing away just those parts versus throwing away the whole Bible.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; i think the fact that Mr. McKellan (one of my very favorite actors, by the way) feels compelled to &lt;em&gt;physically&lt;/em&gt; remove certain passages from the Bible is psychologically interesting and suggestive, but i won't dwell on it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;But it is a prompt for a broader question.&amp;nbsp; Do we feel compelled to ignore certain scriptures?&amp;nbsp; Do we try to avoid ever reading or hearing or talking about certain passages of scripture?&amp;nbsp; Are there certain verses we wish God would've never included in the Bible?&amp;nbsp; Are there certain passages that we would feel it inappropriate to read aloud in a worship service?&amp;nbsp; Do we aim to avoid reading aloud certain scriptures in worship services because we fear the reaction of visitors?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Why would we be picky and choosy about which bits of the Bible we will or won't expose ourselves to?&amp;nbsp; Perhaps it's because we don't accept the content of those passages--we disagree with what scripture says about that topic.&amp;nbsp; Perhaps it's because even though when push comes to shove we accept the content of those passages, we still find it unpleasant and don't want to be reminded of&amp;nbsp;the obligations&amp;nbsp;that passage puts on our shoulders or the shoulders of others.&amp;nbsp; Perhaps it's because even though we believe the content of those passages, the views expressed are wildly unpopular in our culture.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(1)&amp;nbsp; Who are we to decide that certain scriptures are not worthy of our assent, acceptance, and obedience?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; If we get to pick and choose where God gets to tell us what to think or do, then who's really the 'god'&amp;nbsp;in that arrangement?&amp;nbsp; If we refuse to accept parts of the Bible, then what really serves as the final court of appeals for us--God's word, or our own preferences/opinions?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(2) Why would we avoid reminding ourselves about what God expects of us or teaches us to think?&amp;nbsp; Our parents told us we needed to eat our vegetables (for me, it was sweet potatoes and asparagus that they practically had to threaten me before i'd finish them) and it was unpleasant because those vegetables didn't always taste very good.&amp;nbsp; But aren't we the better for having eaten them?&amp;nbsp; We both acquired the immediate health benefits from eating them, we trained ourselves to eat things even unpleasurable things when they benefit us, and we may even have learned to like them (i totally love asparagus now by the way).&amp;nbsp; Our parents weren't trying to ruin our lives or hurt us, nor did they enjoy reveling in torturing us with disgust.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; They were trying to love us and take care of us and see to it that we got what we really needed.&amp;nbsp; God is doing no different in&amp;nbsp;scripture&amp;nbsp;by telling us the hard things we need to hear.&amp;nbsp; God isn't trying to make things unpleasant or uncomfortable just for the sake of it.&amp;nbsp; God always has our best interests at heart.&amp;nbsp; Thus, it can only be to our benefit to learn to "eat our veggies" and make ourselves read even the 'unpleasant' parts of scripture.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;(3)&amp;nbsp; Why would we ever be ashamed of God's words?&amp;nbsp; Why would we ever be so concerned about impressing non-believers that we would try to hide or cover up who our God really is and what He's really said?&amp;nbsp; Think about it, &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; an unbeliever be impressed by a God&amp;nbsp;Whose words&amp;nbsp;His children are (at least partially) ashamed of?&amp;nbsp; If we will sacrifice reading/talking about parts of the Bible for the sake of the comfort of visitors, then who or what is really the object of honor/worship at that point?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-1726747011519211962?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/1726747011519211962/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=1726747011519211962' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1726747011519211962'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/1726747011519211962'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/self-appointed-editors-of-bible.html' title='Self-Appointed Editors of the Bible'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-5871947155784957210</id><published>2009-11-09T07:00:00.006-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-09T07:00:05.734-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Situation Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism 4</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8623/pacifism.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="256" sr="true" src="http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8623/pacifism.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Even though i, as a Christian, am not to return evil for evil and should turn the other cheek, shouldn't i violently defend myself when in life-threatening circumstances?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;In the last post, i argued that&amp;nbsp;Christ serves as an example that we mustn't engage in violent retaliation even in life-threatening circumstances.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Someone may respond: "Yeah, but&amp;nbsp;Christ had a special mission--Christ&amp;nbsp;was incarnated for the particular purpose of dying on the cross, so of course He didn't&amp;nbsp;aim to preserve His own physical life."&amp;nbsp; That's true.&amp;nbsp; But however uniquely motivated it was, Peter tells us that Christ's refusal to retaliate violently is meant as an example which His disciples are bound to follow (1Peter 2:19ff).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;There are additional bases for a Christian commitment to refuse to retaliate violently.&amp;nbsp; (Notice, these aren't additional places where the Bible commands us not to violently defend our mortal lives; these are foundational values upon which that practice is built.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;First, Christ forbids mortal fear:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. (Matt 10:28-31)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Believing i have some deeply important need for someone else or myself to protect my mortal life is rooted in fear--a fear of loss.&amp;nbsp; i can quite naturally feel that people who could kill me really have a power over me--a power to take away something i can't get back, a power to take away something very valuable.&amp;nbsp; Thus i may be motivated to make decisions out of fear of losing my mortal life rather than motivated by decisions out of awe for God who is in total control of life and eternity.&amp;nbsp; Christ condemns this very thing.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;God sees to the needs of sparrows.&amp;nbsp; i'm worth more than sparrows.&amp;nbsp; If God wants my life spared, He can make it happen.&amp;nbsp; If He doesn't, that's up to Him.&amp;nbsp; If someone wrongfully takes my life, God will sort that out.&amp;nbsp; My responsibility is not fear those who can or intend to do so.&amp;nbsp; Those people do not possess ultimately control over life and eternity.&amp;nbsp; My fearing them and in desperation trying to preserve my own life against them lends creedance to the&amp;nbsp;idea that they have some level of power or moral force over me that they do not, in fact, have.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Paul exemplified this very principle.&amp;nbsp; Paul was faced with perils and uncertainty in his ministry.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And now, compelled by the Spirit, I am going to Jerusalem, not knowing what will happen to me there. I only know that in every city the Holy Spirit warns me that prison and hardships are facing me. However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace. (Acts 20:22-24)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Further, when his own companions begged him not to go to Jerusalem for fear of his physical well-being, Paul exclaimed he was ready not only to be bound but also to die for Christ's sake (Acts 21:10-14).&amp;nbsp; Rather than some rationale for being ready to fight to protect and preserve his own life, Paul identifies with the notion of a readiness to die if need be.&amp;nbsp; i'm suggesting then that our desperation to preserve our own physical lives to the point of violent retaliation reflects&amp;nbsp;either an&amp;nbsp;inappropriate attachment to our mortal lives, a failure to trust in God's justice and providential control, a fear of those who might take our mortal lives from us, or all of the above.&amp;nbsp; Christian discipleship calls us to learn to&amp;nbsp;grow past such fears.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Secondly, a Christian has a very special hope--the hope of resurrection.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace;"&gt;we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;the redemption of our bodies&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"For your sake we face death all day long; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;death&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:23-25, 35-39)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;We&amp;nbsp;eagerly away the redemption of&amp;nbsp;our bodies and not even death can stop God from giving that to us.&amp;nbsp; Paul counted everything as loss compared to attaining resurrection from the dead (Philippians 3:8-11), and thus did not shrink back from entering rather perilous circumstances on numerous occasions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8501/resurrection1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="195" sr="true" src="http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8501/resurrection1.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;The hope of resurrection means that death no longer has tyranny over us.&amp;nbsp; Thus, those who's strongest weapon is death ("do what i say, or i'll kill you") no longer have power over us.&amp;nbsp; Will they kill us?&amp;nbsp; Maybe so.&amp;nbsp; But so what?&amp;nbsp; God will raise us back up again anyway.&amp;nbsp; Even my bodily existence is not something anyone can take away from me.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;How much do i trust that God is in control of life and eternity?&amp;nbsp; How far does my trust in His promise to raise from the dead go?&amp;nbsp; If someone threatens to use lethal force against me, what will i do?&amp;nbsp; If i truly believe i have nothing to fear from those who can merely kill my body then do nothing, and if i truly believe that God will raise me from the dead, then how should those beliefs effect my behavior in that situation?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-5871947155784957210?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/5871947155784957210/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=5871947155784957210' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5871947155784957210'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/5871947155784957210'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/pacifism-4.html' title='Pacifism 4'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4822021095427495216</id><published>2009-11-06T07:00:00.003-06:00</published><updated>2009-11-06T12:35:20.670-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9250/stoning.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="142" src="http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9250/stoning.jpg" vr="true" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;How far should we take not returning evil for evil?&amp;nbsp; How far should we take turning the other cheek?&amp;nbsp; What if people threaten to kill you?&amp;nbsp; Shouldn't you be able to engage in violence when someone seeks to use lethal force against you?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;i admit it seems that way to me.&amp;nbsp; It sounds perfectly sensible that evil people should be allowed to go only so far, and then i have every right to "take matters into my own hands."&amp;nbsp; In fact, it seems like if i don't physically retaliate at some point,&amp;nbsp;something's wrong with me.&amp;nbsp; Like i'm cowardly or wimpy or have no guts or no self-respect.&amp;nbsp; Choosing to just let someone "walk all over me" violently seems un-manly and definitely un-American.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;But is it un-Christian?&amp;nbsp; That's what i want to know.&amp;nbsp; i could be the most "manly American" around&amp;nbsp;(a regular Toby Keith) and still be a dirt-poor disciple of Christ.&amp;nbsp; What would Christ have me do?&amp;nbsp; Do any of His words or actions tell me how far i should take not-returning-evil-for-evil?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Perhaps 1Peter 2 provides some answers.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace; font-size: small;"&gt;For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.(1Peter 2:19-24)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Christ left us an example and wants us to follow in His steps by enduring unjust suffering.&amp;nbsp; When people insulted Christ, He didn't insult them in return.&amp;nbsp; When people beat Him, He didn't beat back.&amp;nbsp; Rather, Christ kept entrusting Himself to God as the judge who will make things right.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;As soon as people threatened Jesus' life, did things change?&amp;nbsp; Did He stop entrusting Himself to God?&amp;nbsp; Did He then trust in His own ability as a human to violently resist those people using lethal force against Him?&amp;nbsp; Did He take matters into His own hands in order to preserve His own life?&amp;nbsp; To what extent did Christ keep entrusting Himself to God?&amp;nbsp; Peter says, "He Himself bore our sins in His body."&amp;nbsp; Christ did not retaliate or change His moral strategy &lt;em&gt;even when His life was threatened.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: small;"&gt;The author of Hebrews offers something similar to Peter's words.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;, Courier, monospace; font-size: small;"&gt;Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. (Hebrews 12:2-4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Jewish Christians suffered a great deal of persecution from the Jews and were rather tempted to revert back to Judaism to end their suffering.&amp;nbsp; Christ's endurance &lt;em&gt;even to the point of death&lt;/em&gt;, the Hebrews writer tells them, is the Christian's moral exemplar.&amp;nbsp; The author says they hadn't "yet" had to shed their blood (i take this as a reference to dying), which suggests that if they continued to do the right thing, it may very well have come to that.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9066/stephensaul.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9066/stephensaul.jpg" vr="true" width="278" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: small;"&gt;Peter and the writer of Hebrews&amp;nbsp;point out that this is how Christ did things, and it's our job to follow in His steps.&amp;nbsp; Further, this seems to be the practice among Christians in the New Testament.&amp;nbsp; Paul was stoned by a mob in Lystra that intended to kill him yet Paul and his companions did not engage the mob violently (Acts 14:19f).&amp;nbsp; Stephen was stoned to death and did not resist his murderers violently (Acts 7:54-60).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: small;"&gt;Thus, it may be manly or American or even common-sensical to fight back when&amp;nbsp;people threaten to harm you, especially when they use lethal force against you.&amp;nbsp; But it's not the Christ-like thing to do.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4822021095427495216?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4822021095427495216/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4822021095427495216' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4822021095427495216'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4822021095427495216'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/11/pacifism-3.html' title='Pacifism 3'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4155437197189004549</id><published>2009-10-28T08:00:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-10-28T08:00:13.215-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Anger'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Situation Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://theonethingneedful.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/pacifism1.png"&gt;&lt;img style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 250px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 248px" alt="" src="http://theonethingneedful.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/pacifism1.png" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;Another introductory post without a lot of substance (thank you, Insane Schoolwork-Load!)--&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;i just wanted to acknowledge that the term "pacifism" covers a variety of differing positions and a web of related-issues. A Christian may coin herself a "pacifist," yet refer to any of the following positions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;(1) All violent action is morally forbidden for Christians.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;(2) Christians may use violent action only in personal self-defense or defense of&lt;br /&gt;loved ones.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;(3) Christians may participate in war, but only non-violently. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;(4) Christians may not participate in the military at all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;(5) Christians may participate in various governmnent roles, but only non-&lt;br /&gt;violently.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;(6) Christians may not occupy any government post. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;(7) Christians may use force, but never lethal force.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;(8) Christians may not use force for any personal reason, but may do so only if&lt;br /&gt;acting as an agent of the state.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Notice, some combinations of these positions can be held simultaneously, and other combinations are incompatible. (Did i leave out anybody?) i do consider myself a pacifist, but i honestly don't know just how many of the above i accept. i definitely don't accept them all. But i would like to write some posts that explore what the Bible has to say about these.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8676228612840808018-4155437197189004549?l=modestupheaval.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/feeds/4155437197189004549/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8676228612840808018&amp;postID=4155437197189004549' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4155437197189004549'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8676228612840808018/posts/default/4155437197189004549'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://modestupheaval.blogspot.com/2009/10/pacifism-2.html' title='Pacifism 2'/><author><name>reborn1995</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05548883062420560488</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yNZFA4LPjME/SDMW_PfnqdI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/aAZJHis8F8A/S220/shoulderride.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8676228612840808018.post-4787897528003311710</id><published>2009-10-21T08:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-10-21T08:00:08.751-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Anger'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Situation Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Resistance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Violence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pacifism'/><title type='text'>Pacifism</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8677/noviolence300x300h.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 150px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 150px" alt="" src="http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8677/noviolence300x300h.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:verdana;font-size:130%;"&gt;i'm not saying this isn't a hairy issue. i'm not saying there doesn't seem to be a lot of common-sense exceptions. i'm not saying that there aren't troubling cases for committed pacifists. i'd like to consider all these things. But i want to start with just some very simple questions. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana;font-size:130%;"&gt;If a person (um, say a disciple of Christ) were committed to obeying the teachings in the following scriptures, then how could he/she ever behave violently toward another person? How could we ever violently resist someone, or use violence as a means to accomplish any goal, yet remain obedient to these passages while doing so?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;"&lt;span style="color:#ff6600;"&gt;You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.&lt;br /&gt;"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: 
